MOTIVE Brake & Clutch Bleeding System

Sweet!

Now we just need to source a bulk container of that neat blue stuff.

 

Or see if you can get cost, I would want the Motul, that's my next upgrade.

I will say, after today being my second track event since my rebuild and Superblue fluid...my brakes felt great, stinky but great...pedal preassure was strong, started to fade around 3rd lap but eased off on brakes and more controlled throttle (taught how to save brakes today and had a chance to practise this), the Ate Superblue is a economical upgrade and safety upgrade

 

 

Note sure what your reading, but did you not catch Austin's findings about Dot 5 breaking down in heat faster...I want to flush and get rid of it in my clutch line, brakes with Motul:)

Read up here...the main issue is compatrability, and would you EVER hit those temps to require Dot 5...from my experience, no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_fluid

I've noticed with mine that you need to try and center the "cap" on the plastic reservoir or it tends to rock slightly.

My bleeder is a huge industrial one but it's rather old and the rubber is less soft then it was years ago.  So I have to be extra precise.

Try that and try to gauge the amount of pressure applied between each chain tightener.  Make them even.

Also, you can do a good bleed with very little pressure.  It just takes more time.  So push the pressure as high as you can and see if the fluid comes out at the other end.

This BTW is one of the BEST things you can do to your brakes.  That being flushing everything out every year or so.

DG

Dawg wrote: I've noticed with mine that you need to try and center the "cap" on the plastic reservoir or it tends to rock slightly.

Good advice Damien, but this particular supplied plate is just barely large enough to cover our Fiero brake fluid reservoirs. There is no room for side to side movement at all, and only about a quarter inch front to back.

Dawg wrote: Try that and try to gauge the amount of pressure applied between each chain tightener.  Make them even.

That's the key right there.

It's difficult to explain, but the bolt/wing nut chain assemblies are rather poorly designed. When tightened up the bolts end up being on weird angles and sort of get jammed in the slots in the plastic lid/plate that's supposed to be tightened down. This no doubt results in uneven torque being applied to the four "corners", and this then results in a poor seal.

With that in mind, I might see if I can put something under the master cylinder (as wide as the plate) so that the chains would be coming straight up after wrapping under it. Like this... U ...more so than this... V ...if that makes any sense! 

 

There's one of those damn caps included in MY brake bleeder as well.  I've never, ever gotten it to seal once in all these years (why I keep even trying is beyond me!).

I'm pretty sure they were for use on the old style oval master cylinder that was all cast (one piece).  You'd be able to crank THAT sum'bitch down so tight it'd never leak.

Maybe if you could get a sheet of flat rubber that's the same as an inner tube, and make a 'patch' over the whole existing rubber do-da.
Pond liner for example.  Comes in rolls, and it's totally flat.  I've got some here actually - was going to use it on the CNC machine.

Dr.Fiero wrote: I'm pretty sure they were for use on the old style oval master cylinder that was all cast (one piece).  You'd be able to crank THAT sum'bitch down so tight it'd never leak.

Bingo, that's no doubt what it was designed for. Cranking that sucker down on a cast iron reservoir would probably be fine. On a plastic reservoir, not a chance.

Dawg wrote: ...you might need to rig up thumb screws on both sides instead of one.

If you look at that image I posted earlier you'll see that there are four wing nuts/bolts - two on each side. It's no good. It leaks on the ends.

Brian came over so he could see what I was dealing with. There's no way that plate (as supplied) is ever going to seal properly on a plastic reservoir. John's idea of using another piece of softer rubber is actually something that Brian and I were discussing as an option while he was here.

However, it would be best to simply have a plate supplied that seals and works as advertised.

 

Look what I found on the site:

Very impressed again to receive a reply this morning...seems I need to arrange with Motive the correct adapters, here's the email content, and off to David's (see you shortly):

Hi Marco,

 

Yes the Fiero has a plastic reservoir, I triple checked based on your application guide to ensure I ordered the right parts/kit, it says bleeder 0105 and adapter 1105, hence why I bought American Bleeder Kit 0252 for our car club so all can use.

 

I also hoped that this kit would have been good for also my 1997 Pontiac Grand AM, so the universal round does not look like it will work on either car, GA seems to need a 1108, uncertain is 1101 will fit the clutch on the Fiero, but at this stage I do not want to open the bag it came in until we confirm details.

 

I don’t believe I should have to pay the upgrade for the 1115, I may not have read the fine print as I should be able to trust your application guide...maybe update this thenJ.   For my purpose Marco, I will take your suggestion on what we should do here especially if we have to ship and exchange items, I certainly has no issues in paying for correct products...please advise.

 

I do thank you for your prompt replies also...Cheers,

 

Brian

 

PS: The whole shipping issues, customs changed the tracking code which neither of us had, so I had to provide a idea of what the box would look like, and the “e” for my last name was missed, so this was not matching up

 

From: motivesupport@gmail.com [mailto:motivesupport@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Motive Products Support
Sent: September 4, 2010 8:54 AM
To: Brian Browne
Subject: Re: Follow up on Order

 

Brian,

 

please see the note here at the bottom of the descriptions.

 

http://store.motiveproducts.com/rectangular-universal-adapte r--1105-p58.aspx

 

http://store.motiveproducts.com/early-american-rectangular-b leeder--0105-p32.aspx

 

The Fiero has a plastic reservoir, correct?   No fix necessary to the 1105 - it's nearly impossible to get it to seal on a plastic reservoir- you just need to buy the correct part.   The issue with the plastic reservoir is reason we made the 1115.  We offer a $15 upgrade to the 1115 for those that have the 1105.

 

Marco