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Romeo
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Topic: 3400 Heads Posted: 16 January 2010 at 7:41pm |
Just went to pick-a-part today to pick up cylinder heads for school. Spotted a 3.4L Grand Am while there which had it's side caved in, but a nice looking engine. Managed to tear the engine apart and grab the heads and lower intake plenum, with the intention of buying new valve covers later and getting a Fiero-looking upper intake plenum made. Will keep you posted as the story unfolds. For those of you wondering, the 3.4 fits the Fiero, and is made of aluminum with splayed valves (Angled) and has better port rates than the iron heads from the Fiero. |
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Patrick
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 10:30am |
Do you plan to use the same crap Fiero exhaust manifolds with these better flowing heads? In regards to the intake manifold, a dual-plenum one like Chay is working on Here would be sweet!
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Dr.Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 11:19am |
You can't even try. The port spacing and shape is totally different. Might just as well try to bolt on a set of 454 headers. |
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Patrick
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 12:03pm |
That's actually a blessing then.
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 2:26pm |
Yeah, I'm going to go back next week and *pray* that someone left the DIS/module, and headers alone. Didn't have enough money for everything that week. lol
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 7:17pm |
Should be mentioned, there were two other vehicles at the lot in Pick-A-Part that had the same heads, so if anyone else is interested, the option is there for you. Weight savings are about 45 pounds, flow is slightly better (Albeit, I don't remember by how much) and the aluminums have splayed valves.
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Dr.Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 7:31pm |
But of course, none of the Fiero exhaust will fit, nor any of the intake. So be prepared for a whack-o-fabricating.
If it's a nice day out, I might like to make a run out there too. LMK when you're going.... |
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 7:40pm |
I was hoping Monday afternoon, but I can go pretty much any afternoon, when works for you?
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Dr.Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 8:46pm |
Ick - just looked at the weather forecast for the week... how does say... March work for you? ;)
(I'm just not into wrecker poking in the rain!) |
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 9:37pm |
LOL Well, I'd like to get there as soon as I can. Like I said, I've already disconnected the DIS and module, as well as the headers, and I don't want to have someone walk up and take them. |
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Patrick
Newbie Joined: 19 April 2008 Location: Vancouver Status: Offline Points: 5 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2010 at 11:13pm |
I was out there late this afternoon and nabbed them. How much you willing to pay, fella? Your pockets are going to have to be deep... very deep. . . . . Just kidding, just kidding...
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Patrick
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 11:29am |
Tristan, if you haven't gone out to Pick-a-Part today, I'd tag along tomorrow (or later in the week) if that would work out. The starter (actually the solenoid) has screwed up on the Fiero I'm working on, so I might as well go pick up a starter. Let me know if I haven't missed my opportunity to go out there with you. Thanks. PS. It's not as much fun poking around in a wrecking yard in the rain, but I can't wait 'til March.
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:21pm |
Hey buddy, tomorrow it is. I get home around 3am. You want me to pick you up?
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Patrick
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 7:04pm |
3am? Let's work out a plan in PMs.
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:44pm |
LOL. In my defense, I also tend to get home at 3am most nights. |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:08pm |
T, please don't try to do this mod on your own car, I'd like to see you still driving a Fiero. I don't know why the Dr. has not brought this up, but you CAN'T install DIS on your car as you don't have a crank pickup. Your Fiero intake WON'T bolt up, and the 3400 intake has the TB too far over so you CAN'T use the Fiero distributor. There is a darn good reason that you see all the high performance 2.8's still using steel heads, its because there are no easy Aluminum head swaps out there. If you want to try this mod really bad, I may have a line on a $600 86GT, head about it from another club member and if he does not buy it, either he or I'll be posting the details on here. Then you can chop cut and tweak all you want without risking your good daily driver. |
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Capt Fiero
88 Fiero GT 5spd V6 Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd. |
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:30pm |
But man... $600 is like... $500 more than I have! lol
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Romeo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:33pm |
Also, it should mentioned I know about the intake, I was actually going to attempt making my own intake out of fibreglass in the overall design of the stock Fiero, but in the necessary pattern for the new heads. I know the distributor wont fit with the new heads, but I was under the impression implanting a DIS was feasible...
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ARTIC-1
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 11:10pm |
was out there at pick a part on the 9 of JAN, to pick up the last set of
headlight motors on a wrecked 86SE-$45 for both complt,an looked at that 3.4 with ALUM heads.i didn't have the cash to buy it.the old boy thats runs the place is an ok guy,ive made deals with him in the past on complt cars you can make a deal with him for the whole car for next to nothing.a whole car could go for as little as $200,an then you get everthing!! but you better get it outta there quick! |
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Dr.Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2010 at 11:15pm |
Well... I sorta did! But quite frankly... nobody asked. Look way up top and you'll see where I said the exhaust won't fit, nor the fiero intake, etc etc. Anyhow, if you really want that 3400 in there... you pretty much have to move the whole mess over. Engine, intake, exhaust, ECM, bla bla bla. No different than any other swap (4.9, 3800, etc) that's a 'bolt in' (ie, doesn't require an adaptor like an SBC). |
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