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    Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Capt Fiero Capt Fiero wrote:

We have taken him to the vet to get checked out, he is starting to develop issues with his hip's due to age and is not moving around as well as he should.

Yeah, pain can be a real problem. Pain can cause any of us, dog or human, to become rather grumpy.

Frankie occasionally gets a pinched nerve in her back. Normally she wants to run around outside for hours. Some days though she makes it clear she wants to go home and lay down after only a few blocks/minutes.

Dave, has your vet suggested anything to deal with Duke's discomfort?

 

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I'm really impressed Dave, excellent to hear how well he's being taken care of. My hat's off , and I wish you the very best in figuring out and deciding what to do.
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I am not going to quote each persons post, but will try and address them all.

          He gets much more exercise now than he did a few years ago.  We have 2 Tennant's that are really into the outdoors.  They take him on walks everyday and during the summer they take him down to a creek pool and let him swim for hours on end.  On top of the longer walks, having a houseful of smokers, he gets taken out probably 5-10 times a day for a short walk of about 15mins as we don't smoke in the house its just natural to take duke outside and walk around, even if its just up and down the back alley and out to the street and walking over to check the mail.

                   We have taken him to the vet to get checked out, he is starting to develop issues with his hip's due to age and is not moving around as well as he should.  One of the reason for all th walks is to keep him from laying around and getting stiff.

          As to diet, it has been changed a lot over the last couple years.  He no longer gets McDonald's except on a very special occasion.  His moist food is now the casserole style that has both meet and veggies in it, and the dry is now a mix of kibble and beef that is enriched with vitamins.  

                        We don't' ever get aggressive with him IE hitting or anything.  When he growls at us, we take a firm stance, and at worst have a spray bottle with water that we use. 

       We are honestly doing everything we can to take good care of him, just are not sure at this point what else we can do.

 

Thank You for all your kind and concerned comments.

 

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I thought it best to remove that post and did so along with deleting the user account. It was the first and only post by whoever it was and was obviously done without letting anybody know who they were. This to me isn't quite the behaviour we would look for in a member of our club. If he/she wants to come back on and make their case for their anonymity then that's fine, but I suspect we'll never see that person again with their very specific agenda.

As for Dave and Duke (if I may humbly express my opinion from experience), Duke desperately needs an outlet to burn off all that energy (not to mention the poor diet he has). If you can't do that then it's safest to let him go, perhaps to a family that can devote enough time to him. Visit sometimes if it helps.

The LAST thing you want to do is risk him biting Arianna.. I can't even imagine that. We have a little dog here and the first thing I did was make sure the dog knew where she stood on the totem pole, at the very bottom. No issues at all right now, but if I were to see any different towards our little girl then some action would be taken. Of course only after properly analyzing the situation. Like Patrick said there though, most dogs become aggressive just out of sheer boredom and too much energy. 
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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by Capt Fiero Capt Fiero wrote:

Lisa and I are facing letting go of Duke right now, so this topic really hits home for us.  He has taken dog training classes and passed them, however he is becoming more aggressive to Lisa and I, and has also snapped at Arianna. He has never bitten any of us, short of a snap on the hand the did not break skin, but we are just not sure if we want to "wait" until something does happen, and the option of giving him away is just not fair to him or a new owner knowing his tendency's. I mean what do you do with a giant lap dog that loves you, sleeps beside you, and you know would guard the house and your family till the end, however has a bad temper that scares you.

Dave, I'm FAR from an expert on dogs, but from what I understand the number one reason for "bad" behavior from "good" dogs is lack of exercise.

Frankie gets walked two hours a day every day on-leash, and every couple of days or so she gets two or three hours running around off-leash (usually in the woods) which is very important. If she doesn't receive this amount of exercise on a very regular basis we notice she gets a lot more snarley with other dogs.

Duke might have other issues which trigger his aggression, but you may have to decide if you're willing (or able) to devote enough time to help him work off his aggressive tendencies. I wish you well with this difficult situation.

 

Even for us humans...need to take him out and give him quality energy, he's a big dog with alot of pent up energies...as with the rest, your family is what counts, but Duke needs an outlet to take off his edge...best of luck

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Originally posted by Capt Fiero Capt Fiero wrote:

Lisa and I are facing letting go of Duke right now, so this topic really hits home for us.  He has taken dog training classes and passed them, however he is becoming more aggressive to Lisa and I, and has also snapped at Arianna. He has never bitten any of us, short of a snap on the hand the did not break skin, but we are just not sure if we want to "wait" until something does happen, and the option of giving him away is just not fair to him or a new owner knowing his tendency's. I mean what do you do with a giant lap dog that loves you, sleeps beside you, and you know would guard the house and your family till the end, however has a bad temper that scares you.

Dave, I'm FAR from an expert on dogs, but from what I understand the number one reason for "bad" behavior from "good" dogs is lack of exercise.

Frankie gets walked two hours a day every day on-leash, and every couple of days or so she gets two or three hours running around off-leash (usually in the woods) which is very important. If she doesn't receive this amount of exercise on a very regular basis we notice she gets a lot more snarley with other dogs.

Duke might have other issues which trigger his aggression, but you may have to decide if you're willing (or able) to devote enough time to help him work off his aggressive tendencies. I wish you well with this difficult situation.

 

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Oh man.....you would never forgive yourself if he took a chunk out of your little girl.

I hate to say this in a room of dog lovers but... he's just a dog.

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He has taken dog training classes and passed them, however he is becoming more aggressive to Lisa and I, and has also snapped at Arianna.
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David, I am in no way, shape or form an expert on canine behavior, but my own Dakota (My blind dog) was incredibly hostile towards anyone he thought was below him in terms of social hierachy, and did manage to scar my face on one occasion. That being said, basic deprevation for any sort of bad behavior, as well as taking an aggressive stance towards him (Don't be violent, but if he's going to growl, a good yank on the collar usually gets him to shut up) knocked Dakota back down to a submissive/omega state. Don't know if that will work in your case, but it could be worth a shot.

Anyways, smart idea taking down that comment. I don't think anyone wants to have that posted in case something does happen. No point attracting attention.

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I was on the fringe of removing it myself, as I goolged his user name, and then googles his email address, I could not find anything solid about phatglass or him being a scam.  CKNW does have a lot of stories about the topic, including one about the Owner of one of company's being kicked out of the Sanctioning body as a board of directors. 

 

          However the biggest thing that I think is really dumb, the BC Labor board has documents that would help the SPCA and RCMP press charges on this asshats, and is refusing to release them.  The SPCA has taken them to court to get the documents including administrative notes and emails released to them.  How can they really justify holding these documents back.    In My Own Opinion, "I Feel" the dogs should be released the building torched and people that ordered the killing as well as the employees that did them, should be held on trial and sent to jail for years.  Hopefully there will be some "dog lovers" in prison that will give the people involved a fitting end.

         Other side not, both company's involved in the dog culling, have had there business lisces revoked and are banned from making any sales in the city of Whistler and Squamish. 

                         Lisa and I are facing letting go of Duke right now, so this topic really hits home for us.  He has taken dog training classes and passed them, however he is becoming more aggressive to Lisa and I, and has also snapped at Arianna. He has never bitten any of us, short of a snap on the hand the did not break skin, but we are just not sure if we want to "wait" until something does happen, and the option of giving him away is just not fair to him or a new owner knowing his tendency's.      I mean what do you do with a giant lap dog that loves you, sleeps beside you, and you know would guard the house and your family till the end, however has a bad temper that scares you.

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Originally posted by Romeo Romeo wrote:

Now, I'm no laywer, but don't you think that in posting the personal information of people who are naturally hated might look suspicious if something does happen to them? This is public domain, after all: Anyone can view it.

Just, you know, something to think about.

You suggesting to remove it?...I would agree that we do, it was on the news today about all the threats, etc...

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Now, I'm no laywer, but don't you think that in posting the personal information of people who are naturally hated might look suspicious if something does happen to them? This is public domain, after all: Anyone can view it.

Just, you know, something to think about.

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Yeah, what a shame those 100 dogs weren't given the same chance you gave Tia.

 

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I miss her so...she had a great life
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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by Bassman Bassman wrote:

Pat, that's how I picked up Tia in the early 90's was from that idiot in Whistler, some things don't change...but makes you think about the rest of the world and how the dogs are treated...

Brian, I remember you telling me that. I didn't want to say anything unless you brought it up.

I hope Brian doesn't mind me doing this, but I wanted to copy and post something from This thread. Brian has had some experience with those low-lifes up at Whistler. I thought this would make for interesting reading for those of you who may not have originally seen this posted two years ago.

Originally posted by Bassman Bassman wrote:

I had a Siberian Timberwolf, she was a runt, saved her from this F%^%#^ who was a dog sled tour guide in Whister that was inter-breeding them...chain them up to trees and have at it.  My secretary at the time told me about how she went to buy a dog from him and saw her, she would not have survived as all he fed them was meat and the toughest made it.

I went there and made him a offer, he said, no, come back in a week and if she's alive you can have her, but he knew she would not make it and that's what he was worried about...a fricken refund!!!, I didn't care about that but he didn't care...so with a few staff that worked for me, we went in the middle of the night and dog napped her...amazing girl she was:)

When she was a pup:

 

As an adult:

Brian, sorry if I've made you tear up a bit.  I wanted to show a fine example of the type of beautiful dogs that have been abused for years and/or killed by those bastards up at Whistler.

Steps need to be taken so that this sort of criminal activity can no longer continue.

 

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You know, my biggest issue is the pointlessness in all the this. There was literally no need for any of this, and why did no one along the way stop and ask 'Why'?

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What a horrific news. And I was thinking of supporting this company's dog sledding business when my wife and I were in Whistler last time. Now I say we "accidentally" burn down their building and beat the fu*# out of everybody who happens to be there.

I love dogs, both my own and others, and I'm sick of hearing about humans taking advantage of animals who are unable to defend themselves.

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Yeah, that's my biggest problem with him suing for emotional distress. I know if I were in that situation and I was ordered to commit genocide I'd be headed straight to the authorities, no questions asked.
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I just can't believe what some people will do when ordered to do so by a "superior", be that a boss or whatever. Don't pathetic bastards like this guy have a freakin' backbone?

More gruesome details from Here.

Quote Tourism lull led to ‘execution-style killings’ of 100 B.C. sled dogs: Reports

By Kim Pemberton, Vancouver Sun January 31, 2011 8:50 PM
 
The man responsible for the "execution-style" cull of 100 sled dogs that were no longer of use to the Whistler-based Outdoor Adventures "due to a slow winter" season had known a lot of the dogs and was so traumatized by the slaughter he now suffers from nightmares, panic attacks and depression, according to a confidential workers' compensation review decision obtained by the Vancouver Sun.

The unidentified man said he had raised many of the 300 dogs owned by his employer, in fact, naming many of them. But over a two-day period in late April 2010, he agreed to carry out the orders from his employer to euthanize some of them because part of his job duties "included herd control."

The BC SPCA is launching an investigation of the cull.

In the document, the man thought he had put down 30 per cent of the company's herd — approximately 70 animals — but the employer’s report of injury to the animals, filed with the review board in May, stated it had actually been 100 dogs.

The information came to light after the employee filed for workers’ compensation after developing post-traumatic stress disorder for allegedly being forced to kill the dogs — potentially after bookings slumped following the 2010 Olympic Games.

A veterinarian had been contacted but refused to participate in the cull of healthy animals.

The report also stated the man tasked with the job tried to adopt out the dogs but with limited success.

"In the past, his practice when euthanizing a dog was to take it for a walk in the woods and give them a nice meat meal to distract them. That would make for a calm environment and kept the dogs away from the general population so as not to disrupt them. He would use a gun to euthanize the dogs," the report states.

However, because of the large number of dogs, he said he was forced to euthanize the dogs in full view of the other animals. By about the 15th dog, it appeared to him "the dogs were experiencing anxiety and stress from observing the euthanasia of other members of the pack and were panicking."

As a result of the panic, a dog named Suzie was only wounded by the employee.

"Susie was the mother of his family's pet dog 'Bumble.' He had to chase Suzie through the yard because the horrific noise she made when wounded caused him to drop the leash,” the report states. “Although she had the left side of her cheek blown off . . . he was unable to catch her. He then obtained a gun with a scope and used it to shoot her when she settled down close to another group of dogs."

It also states when he went to get the dog, he was bitten in the arm. After disposing of Suzie's body, he returned and noticed another dog — named Poker — that was special to him and not slated to be euthanized had been accidentally shot.

"Poker was covered in blood from a neck wound and covered in his own feces. He believed Poker suffered for approximately 15 minutes before he could be put down," the report states.

The employee had put down about 55 dogs on April 21, and by the end of the day, the dogs were so panicked they were biting him and he had to wrap his arms in foam to prevent injury.

"He also had to perform what he described as ‘execution-style’ killings where he wrestled the dogs to the ground and stood on them with one foot to shoot them. The last few kills were ‘multiple-shot’ killings as he was simply unable to get a clean shot,” the report says. “He described a guttural sound he had never heard before from the dogs and fear in their eyes."

But the killings on April 23 were described as "worse" than two days earlier because the herd's fear and anxiety began almost immediately.

On that day, the first significant killing happened to a dog named Nora, who he had shot 20 minutes earlier and put into the mass grave. He noticed her crawling around amid the 10 or so bodies already there so had to climb down into the grave and "put her out of her misery."

At that point, the reports states he "wanted nothing more than to stop the 'nightmare,' but he continued because he had been given a job to finish and did not want to prolong the suffering and anxiety of the whole kennel population. He stated that he felt 'numb.'"

His last memory of killing the final 15 dogs was "fuzzy" and in some cases he felt it was simpler to "get behind the dogs and slit their throats and let them bleed out."

The report states he was “covered” in blood by the end.

"When he finished he cleared up the mess, filled in the mass grave and tried to bury the memories as deeply as he could."

Five days after the final culling, he sought treatment from a clinical counsellor who indicated he was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

His family physician also indicated the worker — who resides at the same location as the dogs with his family — complained of "panic attacks, nightmares, sleep disturbances, anger, irritability and depressed mood since culling approximately 100 dogs."

Marcie Moriarty, head of the BC SPCA cruelty-investigations division, said the man, the general manager of Outdoor Adventures at the time, could have simply said no.

"I've no doubt he has suffered post-traumatic stress but there's a thing called choice. I absolutely would not have done this and he could have said no,” she said. “This is a criminal-code offence and to have just stopped. I don't feel sorry for this guy for one minute.”

Moriarty said the SPCA began investigating the culling this weekend after CKNW radio provided her with a heavily censored WCB report.

WCB spokeswoman Donna Freeman said she cannot confirm a claim has been filed by any party because it would be "considered private because they're medical files."

Moriarty said while RCMP have been contacted about the culling, the BC SPCA are the lead investigators and will be executing warrants to obtain further information.

They plan to uncover the mass grave to examine the dogs' remains but can't do that immediately because the ground is frozen under several feet of snow.

In a statement, Outdoor Adventures spokesman Graham Aldcroft said there are no firearms on site and any time a sled dog is euthanized in the future, it will be done in a vet's office. "While we were aware of the relocation and euthanization of dogs at ‘Howling Dog Tours,’ we were completely unaware of the details of the incident until reading the WCB document Sunday," he said.

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I'm appalled. How could you even live with yourself after that.. It's all about the bottom line I guess. Typical business rules.
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