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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 June 2012 at 11:27pm |
Alright this may make the forum blow up, but this may be the single largest photo batch ever posted in one post. I believe there are 110 pics. Pic from my desk in my garage looking out to the cars. Can you spot the problem, look really close, I just thought I had a bad mount, and had been meaning to replace the front mount, guess it was not the mount. So the alternator bolt refused to come off, no matter how much I torched it, pounded different sized sockets, and found it all to hell. I finally gave up and had Dawg weld a socket onto it, and I let the bolt have it, my impact gun will do 600+ foot pounds in reverse. So it was going to either come off or snap. You can see the results a few posts down. Bracket all welded back together A HUGE Thank You to Damian aka Dawg.
Bad bearings on the ground. Although I did not get any pics of him, Watts was the one that did the bearing installs for me, so another huge thank you to him for the help. We also found out that the timing gears and chain were shot so a new set was installed. See further down for the nightmare in getting the crank gear off. But it did give me a good excuse to buy a new tool. This shot shows how much bigger the High Volume oil pump is vs the Stock Unit. Its a much better pump, and the pickup tube is bolted on vs just pressed in.
New Gear Puller, Damn I love this thing. In the pic its loose, when I was using it, I had it centered correctly.
New Timing Chain installed Various Stages of cleaning and painting the disgusting timing cover and water pump. I love the Red and White Paint Scheme it just works. (Think Canada)
Finally the motor is starting to come together. Oil Pan On.
First Clean It up, 2nd, Torch it to burn off any oil and or antifreeze, then paint, and finally let air dry with a space heater.
This was a side job, my mother said her car was having a hard time starting, and that she had to have a friend hold the battery "thingy" on to get it to start. I have never in my life seen a battery terminal corrode this bad EVER, the threads were completely gone, the leaded threads in the battery were also eaten away. Fortunately the battery was a dual terminal so I was able to convert that post to a top and everything is good to go. Starting to really look like a motor. I did take the AC Bracket back off to clean it and clear coat it. You'll see in the lower pics.
Ok so I could not leave well enough alone, seeing as I could not use Dawg's intake, but I was using his 55mm throttle body, I decided to take the stock 52mm intake and port the hell out of it. I managed to get it opened up a LOT. It should flow much better than stock, and with the ported exhaust manifolds and fuel pressure bumped up a bit, should provide at least a few extra ponys. Final Pictures of the night, that is how she sits currently.
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karnak
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2012 at 7:20pm |
Looks like you did a ton of work. looking good!
Gary |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 June 2012 at 8:20am |
Well no pics from yesterday as frankly nothing really looks different, as I ended up in roughly the same look as I started. I cleaned up around the engine and hoist, hooked a chain to the motor, lifted it off the engine stand and unbolted the stand. Installed the rear main seal, yes Dr.Fiero I used sealant on the outside of the main and greased the inside ring of the main, am a little worried that I installed it too deep, but we will see how it goes when I start spinning it over for compression checks. Once the main was installed, I installed the flywheel. I used a great deal of red loctite on all the flywheel bolts. I put a bit extra so that even the shank of the bolt will grab and lock to the flywheel. Once the flywheel was installed, I put the engine back on the stand and bolted it back into place. Today I plan to use my jumper box on the starter while the motor is on the stand to do a compression check on all the cylinders to make sure that everything is good before final install into the car. |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 June 2012 at 5:45pm |
Well the compression tests are done. I knew it was a mistake not to pop the heads and pull the pistons out when we did the con rod bearings. I was just hoping that the engine was a good solid motor, as it ran well when pulled. It possible that the rings just need to be worked in after sitting for several years without being started but I just don't know. I was hoping for 150psi across the board. Mine and Zanders old race vs 2.9's had 220psi across the board. Cyl #1 90psi Cyl#2 90psi Cyl# 3 10psi Cyl #4 30psi Cyl #5 Zero psi Cyl #6 Zero psi
I am going to try putting some Rotella down each hole and letting it sit for a bit then retesting. |
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Dr.Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:34pm |
Good big splash of ATF in each hole - let soak - usually brings 'em right back to life.
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2012 at 2:45pm |
Just hooking up the last of the lines and torquing everything down nice. I notice the clutch release arm seems to be under tension, I grab it with my hand and it won't budge, locked up solid. WHAT THE FUC*. I jump into the car and press the pedal, its rock solid won't move. FRACK. Everything is in the damn car, just about to toss a battery in and test fire it, and now I have to pull the whole damn thing back out again. OMG I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW. I am going to PRAY that the release bearing is hung up, I'll try removing the slave first and wiggling the arm, if that fails, looks like the cradle is coming back out. |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 June 2012 at 7:12pm |
Well something is Fuc*ed up. I have started pulling the cradle again. I am dead exhausted, and calling it quits for the night. Anyone that wants to come and help tomorrow. The plan is to start on it at around 10am and pull the entire dam thing out, find out what the issue is and put it back in. With any luck it can be out and back in by tomorrow night. I have the cradle half out now, just the 2 front bolts left then use Clynts hoist to lift the car off of the cradle.
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 30 June 2012 at 9:28am |
Ok everything is on hold now until this rain stops.
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 July 2012 at 9:16pm |
Well I almost threw my 5lb sledge hammer threw a wall today.
I pulled the entire engine trans cradle and everything back out, split the engine off of the trans, and inspected everything. I found the throw out bearing was a bit off center and slightly bound up. I thought Ok that might have been the problem, had forum member Dawg over and spent nearly 2hrs straight fighting to get the trans to mate to the engine, don't know what it didn't want to go, but eventually it went. I grabbed a large wrench and tested the clutch release and it moved just fine. Spent the better part of the day putting the entire thing back in the car. Hooked up the slave and had Dawg press the pedal, LOCKED UP SOLID. Oh I WAS MAD, but not as mad as I was when I found out what the problem was. When I removed and re-installed the slave I would put the push rod in, and push it onto the studs, then torque it down, I would see what I thought was the slave sucking the push rod in as I bolted it down. That was not the case, the slave was pushing the push rod all the way over and locking up the clutch. During the tear down of the engine the car say outside, water had gotten into the bore of the slave and froze the piston up. I would have sworn that the piston was free. However it was not, I pulled the slave off, took a large hammer to the piston via the rod sticking out and after a few bangs the piston broke free, I reinstalled it, and had Dawg press the pedal while I watched the clutch and everything is fine. So in short, I just did a full cradle / engine pull separated the engine and put it all back, because of a bad slave cylinder. Well there is no sense in being mad over it, it happened, its back together. Its 9pm and I am calling it a night. Most of the stuff is put back together, tomorrow I just have to put all the water hoses on, fill and burp the system and test fire the motor. I am still annoyed at myself over it all, but $hit happens and ya deal with it. Frustrated but Happy. |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2012 at 6:53pm |
Just a little update, sorry no pics. Yesterday, (Sunday) I managed to get the last of the hookups done and did a test fire. The Good news is that with a bit of ether it eventually fired up, the bad news it really didn't want to. She smoked like a devil due to the oil I had poured into the cylinders, and I think it totally fouled at least 3 or 4 of the plugs. I let it idle for a min then tried to set the timing and it died, no matter what I tried I could not get it to run right. The odd thing was it did not matter how far I had the throttle open or closed it just didn't want to run over about 1200rpms. I am thinking that I will install the MSD 6a box on it to give the plugs a bit of a helping hand to get all 6 cylinders firing and see what happens after it burns off all the oil. I have the fuel pressure cranked up pretty high at about 45psi in the hopes that the extra fuel will help to thin the oil and burn it off a bit quicker. |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2012 at 7:29pm |
Ok just another text update. I know you are are picture whores but hey my main computer is dead and its a pain posting pics from my laptop. Ok got it to really fire up. This time let me rev up and down fine. We set the dist in with #1 at TDC, and for whatever reason I must have been out a few degrees when it finally settled into position. I had to move all the plug wires over one spot, because with Dawgs Module cooler installed it does not allow enough rotation on the dist shaft to correct that far. I got it setup at roughly 14 degrees BTDC its running a bit rough, but for an engine that has sat for over 4 years in a storage shed, I am cutting it a bit of slack. I think once the car hits the ground and I can put some load on it, she should free up a bit. So that moved me on to hydraulics. I picked up Crackers Power Bleeder and hooked it up. My biggest worry, (and you Fiero mechanic guru's can relate) was the bleeder screws on the rear calipers. I had never removed them in the 6 years I had owned the car. Which meant it was little worse odds than 50/50 that they would snap rather than come out. So I drenched them in Moovit, then used my impact gun to tap and nudge them and Yippe, both came out clean. I started the power bleeder and waited for fluid to come out the passenger side rear, then closed it and waited for fluid to come out the drivers side rear and closed it. Rear brakes are now all blead out. I hooked up the clutch adapter and let it run until no more air was coming out, and tested the pedal, its works. Its not perfect as in my bit of range and anger, I really pushed that damn pedal hard, hard enough to bend the pedal when it was seized up. So I did loose a bit of throw, but I have the Isuzu Slave swap on this Getrag so all I really need is 1/2 the throw to get full release. Oh and back to the engine fire up. Turnes out the EGR is Pipe is busted. Another thing I did in frustration, I was angry put a strap over the engine to yank it to the trans and caught it on the EGR pipe. I was hoping it was not damaged, but it was, so I pulled the pipe, I don't have a spare, so I am going to cap it off for the time being. Will deal with it later. Well thats it for today. Oh one last note, I was over at Dr. Fiero's and saw Dawgs new motor, WOW O WOW, that thing is Pretty. Pretty Damn tempting to sneak it off and put it in my car. If we had an award for best looking motor at shows, he would win 1st and 2nd place with it. |
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 July 2012 at 11:17pm |
Well I took it for a drive today. Its Alive...... It looks like I did more damage to the clutch pedal than I thought, the clutch functions but not nearly as smooth as it should. The engine is also running much better now that I have the Spark plug wires in the correct order. Ugh... When I was moving the wires around the cap trying to get enough movement the 2 and 3 got reversed. So it was trying to fire 1 and 3 in order, which means 2 cylinders on the same bank were trying to fire one after the other. (makes for a bad running engine) It felt decent on the test drive, but I can only hope that it gets better with more miles on it. Plus I will need to change the plugs over to the new E3 once I am happy that the motor will not explode on me. We also got the cradle dropped on Damian's car, getting it prepped to put his motor in on Saturday before the club meeting. It won't be at the meeting, but I'll be there greasy as hell.
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Capt Fiero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 August 2012 at 11:04pm |
The 88 failed Aircare today, I am going to go and buy 3 months of insurance for it tomorrow and do some work to it. I ran it over to Chris's shop today, and we did some work to it, fixed the E-Brake which is totally different on an 88 vs an early car. Replaced the fuel filter which was really plugged up. Car has a couple issues, like its not Pre-Priming the fuel system when the key is turned on, and brakes are a bit spongy. I am going to need the brakes in top order as I am taking the trailer with me to Oregon.
The good news is the soft clutch that I had when I first put the motor back together has firmed up a lot. |
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