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 Posted: 21 September 2011 at 5:10pm |
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You should do it soon. If the battery is still actually holding a charge (it appears to be), it is putting out the wrong voltage. When the rains come, the battery will drain rapidly. |
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 5:58pm |
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Rain? What rain? < Patrick looks out window >
What the heck ??!!!
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Posted: 22 September 2011 at 7:56pm |
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 12:28pm |
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Ken, I was able to get a reading from Anne's car on the weekend. Before I started it (after it had sat for 24 hours), the battery read something like 12.6 volts. After starting it, the reading was 14.4 volts. I suspect the battery and charging system are fine. That's great, but now I've still got to figure out why her 2001 Taurus wagon with the 3.0 Duratec DOHC engine is throwing those codes. Her engine runs fine, but it does do one odd thing. While it's sitting there idling smoothly in PARK, every couple of minutes or so, you'll hear this relatively loud "Bink!" sound. Just once. It's like a small hammer hitting a small anvil. No thud, just a metallic "Bink!". Happens a single time, until a couple minutes later. Anne says it does this while she's driving as well, and that the engine shudders at the time of the sound. I'm not 100% sure she's experiencing the same thing as what I've observed. It's never done it while I've driven her car. At first I thought it was possibly a valve kissing a piston, as it seems to me this is what it would sound like. But the engine runs fine, and it only happens once each time. I'm now wondering if it's possible the ignition timing all of a sudden gets too far advanced just for a split second, and it's actually a single loud "Ping" I'm hearing before the ignition timing automatically backs off again. I have no idea if this is even possible, but I know nothing about these engines and how they may or may not be controllled by their ECMs.
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Romeo
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 5:20pm |
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Want to borrow my scan-tool? As for your ignition idea, it does fit the idea, and I know the modern Ford engines all run an ignition system that keeps on advancing until it detects knock, then backs off one degree. I don't think the last gen Tauri had them though... Could just be that the spark plugs are too hot a heat range. They'd get hot, pre-ignite the mixture, then cool off again. Just a guess, mind you. |
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 6:26pm |
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I might've found the problem and solution Here.
Seems to be too much of a coincidence that the people posting in that thread all had A/C compressor clutch problems (as did Anne's Taurus) immediately prior to throwing this code! I'll be checking those fuses the next time I'm at Anne's place. Who knows, maybe this has something to do with that odd noise I reported as well (if it has something/anything to do with how the ECM/PCM controls things).
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 6:29pm |
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If fuse replacement doesn't solve this problem... Yes! Thanks dude.
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Posted: 04 October 2011 at 9:29pm |
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No problem. That's what young, awesome, attractive, intelligent friends are for.
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Woo hoo! I checked the fuses in Anne's Taurus and discovered that the 10A fuse for the A/C compressor clutch and the KAPWR circuit had indeed fried. Put in a new fuse and the Check Engine Light is gone! Seems like kind of a dumb idea to put the A/C compressor clutch and the "keep alive" power for the PCM/ECM on the same electrical circuit, but anyway, I now know about it. (I don't have the A/C compressor clutch connected electrically as the system needs to be re-charged, so I wasn't aware that the A/C compressor clutch wasn't getting any power and therefore hadn't suspected that any fuses had failed.) It's too early to tell if this has also resolved the "Bink!" sound coming from the engine, but I'm hoping it was just an ignition timing issue caused by the PCM/ECM having to re-adjust and re-learn settings (including ignition timing) every time the car was turned off and then on. I want to thank Ken again for putting his code reader on Anne's Taurus and pulling the codes so I at least knew where to start in regards to rectifiying the problem.
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My pleasure. Glad you figured it out. Anybody else needing read codes off their OBD II port are welcome to pop by if you need your codes read. |
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 10:32pm |
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I'm delighted to report (after driving Anne's Taurus this past weekend) that the "Bink!" sound is indeed now gone! I'd love to have this Ford 3.0L DOHC Duratec engine in a Fiero. It's 200 HP, with an aluminum block and heads, and four valves per cylinder. This engine really makes a full size Taurus wagon move. It would be a great upgrade in my '84 from a duke.
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 11:59pm |
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How dare you suggest such a transgression! A Ford motor in a Fiero, you watch your tongue. The only Ford motor I would want to see in a Fiero is the new Scorpion diesel. On topic though, if you like the Duratec, you should try and drive the SHO Taurus one day. Same motor, but it has a short ram and a long ram intake, so it builds torque, then swaps over and makes HP galore. |
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Yeah, and I'm not even a Ford fan. Anne's Taurus wagon even sounds good when I put my foot into the accelerator. Maybe I should autocross it one day.
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Posted: 18 October 2011 at 9:30am |
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If you think the 3.0 Ford is a great motor, you would love the GM version of that motor. The 3.4 DOHC motor, 7000 rpm shift points and well over 200hp.
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Romeo
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Bah, still not as cool as the V6 and V8 SHO engines. Your pick between a 225HP V6 (7000RPM, 3.2L), or the 235HP V8 (7000RPM, 3.4L). Both feature the dual intakes that switch over at 3400RPM. Yeah. There is a Cosworth/Yamaha V8 with as much displacement as the biggest stroker package for the Fiero. |
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Too bad the GM 3.4 DOHC still has a cast iron block. I doubt I'll ever swap an "exotic" engine into a Fiero myself, but I imagine it would be great fun to drive a Fiero which has a lot of power.
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The DOHC? Always thought it was an aluminum... I think we can all agree that the aluminum block 2.8 from GM beats everything. 
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Actually, if somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, all the GM 60deg V6 engines varying from 2.8L to 3.4L are cast iron blocks with many variants (including the Fiero) using aluminum heads.
I don't remember GM ever making the 60deg V6 block in aluminum. Even the 3.1L variant designed in conjunction with McLaren was a cast iron block with aluminum heads. Maybe for custom race applications, they made one, but not for series production. I've only ever worked on one GM aluminum engine, the 2.3L L4 used in the Vega/Astre, which was a disaster. GM got it upside down. Aluminum block with cast iron head. The head looked a lot like aluminum so I can understand the confusion. |
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Ken and Romeo you are both right. The aluminum 2.8 blocks were amazing however they were never a production block. You could buy them from the GM Performance Parts Division. They were used heavily in the S10 Race Trucks. The last one I know to exist belonged to Sean Hammit, the major A-SS Hat bastard that now runs the Real Fiero Tech website, which used to be called Pennocks Sucks . com as he was banned from Pennocks for being a rude childish SOB. I believe most of the 2.8 Alm blocks ended up being bored out to 2.9 liters and having custom steel sleeves. The bare block weighed I believe just 40lbs. |
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'Aye, that's the one. Apparently they're a skank to get ahold of, from what I hear. Just makes me want it more. 
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