VCMC This Sunday - Oct 17
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Topic: VCMC This Sunday - Oct 17
Posted By: Bassman
Subject: VCMC This Sunday - Oct 17
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 8:38pm
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Registered http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/showthread.php?10091-NCT-5-and-VCMC-Series-3-Novices-Here-s-Your-Chance-to-Beat-the-President - http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/showthread.php?10091-NCT-5-and-VCMC -Series-3-Novices-Here-s-Your-Chance-to-Beat-the-President ! ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:03pm
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Wow...no interest? ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:17pm
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Brian, it's possible everyone else had the same impression as I did when they looked at your link. As in... What are all these acronyms/abbreviations and what the heck are they talking about? ------------------------------------------------------- NCT 5 and VCMC Series 3; Novices, Here's Your Chance to Beat the President!
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Posted By: grokan
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:24pm
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i'm registered... in my mustang ------------- Lets get it sideways |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:26pm
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BooOOoooo...
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grokan wrote:Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:26pm
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lol...again, many of them race at the Nationals, etc., so much more competitive. This event as with UBC have these "fun" events where you race the Stig or President of the clubs...and $40 at the gate, so come on out and play I have to put my R888's back on...think I'll make it out for UBC also, week by week for now. ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:29pm
Cool...see you then:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: grokan
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:30pm
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my brother will also be there with his civic, but ya kinda
stoked! hope it doesn't rain ------------- Lets get it sideways |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:37pm
What about the membership fee? -------------------------------------------- Membership is required for this event (and includes CACC membership). Don't forget that signing up now gives you next year's membership as well! -------------------------------------------- Brian, what does it mean for new members... "free event included"
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:52pm
It means for people who have never joined VCMC before, when you pay $50 for a one year membership, the next autox is free. Returning members must pay $50/yr to do club events and they do not get a free autox. |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:52pm
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Just above on that page is: Registration is available the morning of the event, but we encourage pre-registration on Karelo to minimize delays, and save you money! Since they are offering online registration with the above on-site $40, then you can consider if you want to become a member where when you first join, you get the first event included... Luke, meet for breaky at MacD's?...I'll be there at 7am, and onsite by 7:45am. The tech is much more serious, they check the battery, bearings, fluid, etc... ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:56pm
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You going Allan...lol...How's the suspension, forgot to ask, we'll chat:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:57pm
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Allan, just to make this clear for myself and others... If any of us paid to become a member, say tomorrow, would that mean that Sunday's event would qualify as the "next" autocross and therefore would be "free"?
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:59pm
Yes. Pay the $50 and you are a member until Dec 31, 2011 (just over a year) and no extra fees to pay to play on Sunday. Brian: One guess. ;) |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:07pm
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Actually I bought both my memberships (renewed) with VCMC & UBC in the last month and they are good until Sept 2011 apparently...I want a card with an expire date Pat...pay the day rate and experience VCMC first hand then choose, save the money ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:07pm
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Oooo, that sounds good. A couple other questions though, for either Allan or Brian (or both)... This event sounds more, ummm.... serious. Is this really an event for third time driver in a duke powered Fiero? One other thing to keep in mind for us newbs - What is the limit for driving autocrosses in order to still qualfy as a Novice for the Slush Series? I saw it listed somewhere but now I can't find it. Seems to me it was only either two or three times.
Brian, you posted while I was typing. I understand what you mean, but it does say... "Membership is required for this event" at the site.
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:19pm
Brian, are you sure you can do that? Their forum thread says:
On the UBCSCC site, they say this about novices ( http://www.ubcscc.com/events/2010/slush1/suppregs.html - here ):
Although I don't know if the PCA/BCCC autoxes are considered "scored AutoSlalom events". Also, the CACC membership confuses me. I can't tell if it's required or not. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:25pm
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So Colby, if I understand those rules, someone who's done a hundred autocrosses since January 1st of this year (and up to three events previously) could still qualify as a Novice. Correct?
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:27pm
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Sorry all...your right, UBC had a day membership fee of $5, need some sleep and off the meds:)...lol
------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:29pm
That's what it looks like. I'm guessing the idea is that you're considered a novice for your first season. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:03pm
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These guys play hardball. I noticed in the rules... "On-board cameras are not allowed unless securely mounted onto the car (suction cup or bracket mounts at the discretion of the Head of Technical Inspection). Specifically, passengers may NOT handhold any cameras. Anyone in violation of this rule will have his/her camera immediately confiscated and may face additional penalties at the discretion of the Event Chair as this is a serious safety concern as outlined in the CACC GCR." My buddy Jim was handholding my DV camcorder a couple times while as a passenger in both Brian's and my car at the Corvette Club's autocross. I guess that was a no-no. Interestingly enough, it doesn't specifically state the driver can't handhold a camera. And this is a scary one... Equipment / Facility Collision Damage Reminder
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:47pm
Novice definitions will be different for each club so best to check with them. Just say you're a novice and don't worry about it.  vcmc $150 damage fee. Yep, run over cables or bump the timing light and pay the $150. Cameras can't be held by hand because they could slip and go someplace bad. Rulez is rulez with them. Fun is optional. lol! While some people in those clubs are harda$$es, some of them are really great folks. You'll quickly find out who is who.  ...and some of them are real serious when it comes to classing your car properly.Brian will be able to help guide you out there.  |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:59pm
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Allan, I notice you and Brian both kind of danced around this earlier question. What are you keeping from me?
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 11:33pm
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And also, is the CACC license a requirement for participating in the VCMC or UBCSCC events? Should I quickly fill out http://www.caccautosport.org/pdf/2010AutoSlalomLicenseApp.pdf - this form and hope that whatever needs to be done is done in time if I want to do the event on the 24th?
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 11:58pm
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Colby, it seems to me from what I can decipher that a $50 membership with the VCMC Motorsport Club covers/"includes" the $10 membership with CACC. ------------------------------------------------------- Membership is required for this event (and includes CACC membership). Don't forget that signing up now gives you next year's membership as well! http://www.karelo.com/register.php?BID=56&BT=10#Ev7558 - Memberships available on Karelo here
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 12:05am
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Yeah, but I'm undecided as to whether or not I want to go to this VCMC event, so I still need to know how UBCSCC handles this if I decide not to go.
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 6:50am
Dancing is fun! Since this is the last event of the year for vcmc, I expect that this
course will be more challenging than the ones you have driven in the
past. Challenging is good though - keeps you on your toes. I think you guys should go. $50 is only $10 more than you're used to
and the weather should be good this weekend. Sunny but cool. If you
don't like the environment at VCMC, then no big deal. Don't go to
future events. If you like the challenge and being around some amazing drivers, then go to more next year
since you'll now be a member of VCMC for 2011. CACC annual license fee: I think VCMC is rolling that $10 into their $50 annual fee. I don't know if UBCSCC is. UBCSCC might hit you up for $10 extra. This has to do with the way they changed the funding model for CACC (the governing organization for many car clubs in the province). In the past you had to buy a CACC autox license to compete in the regional autox series (top competitive events). You'd collect points for each event and the winner of each class would win a trophy and/or a jacket, etc. Since these clubs and CACC is volunteer based, they need to raise their own funding to make this work. This year saw a change where an autox license wasn't necessary to compete in the regional events, so they lowered the amount you had to pay and made everyone pay it. $10 from everyone compared to $40 or whatever from just the serious competitors. I think it's something like that. |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 6:53am
Don't bother with this form. It won't get completed in time. I think UBCSCC has a day fee of $5 or something like that if you want to try them out. They won't turn away new people because of that form not being done ahead of time. |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 11:20pm
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VCMC posted a planned course layout. Actual course may vary a bit. http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=271&d=1287207512 - http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=271& ;d=1287207512 |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 11:33pm
I wish I wasn't sick right now.  Unless I suddenly feel way better tomorrow I don't think I'll be going. And that course doesn't look too duke unfriendly, either.
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Posted By: grokan
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 12:04am
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Brian, il see you 7am @ mc d's... Anything you recommend I bring? ------------- Lets get it sideways |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 12:26am
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Allan, thanks for all the info.
Hey Colby, we could seriously kick Tristan's butt on that course! I'm still undecided at this point whether to participate this Sunday. The biggest issue is whether or not I get my helmet on Saturday. It's been delivered to my friend's place in Blaine (as I bought it new on eBay in the States), but I'm not sure when he'll be bringing up my way. I don't want to have to be borrowing a helmet again or chasing after the "loaner" helmets available at the autocross. I still have a few more hours to fret about this.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 12:27am
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Sticky tires and a supercharger.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 1:08am
You might have been able to... Were I going.  ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 9:18am
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Looks like sunscreen...lol, pack a lunch as this group usually does not plan a lunch break. I have a large bag to empty and store anything into as you want to have your car empty which you know. I remove and leave at home anything I won't need like floor mat for drivers side. See you in the morning...change of clothing, going to cold in the morning, frost out today:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 8:00pm
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Looks like both me and Pat are now going.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 8:28pm
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Are you both registered or visiting?...meeting at MacD's for 7am, maybe 7:15am Night... ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 8:34pm
Brian, do you really think we'd go all the way out there to just watch after having raced there? Come on now! I'm going to go register right now...
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 8:53pm
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Very Cool:) Guess you got your helmet?...make sure you all have your battery strapped in, for some reason it's a HUGE fricken deal with these guys & UBC Need to be open minded and watch, it is kinda funny hey Allan Need anything Pat, welcome to call...Cheers
------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 9:26pm
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Geez, that all took long enough!
No, and I had already decided to forgo the event tomorrow because my helmet is still sitting down in Blaine. However, Colby contacted me and said he wanted to participate tomorrow... and bribed me with the use of his dad's helmet for the day. (Thanks Gary!) So Brian, why is everybody meeting a half-hour earlier at McD's than for the other autocross events? Is the schedule different? [EDIT] I've now noticed the following. I guess I'll see you all at McD's at 7 am! Gates open @ 7:30 am.Tech closes @ 8:15am, |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 9:42pm
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The times are different...it's been some time, but in the past you pull into a lane for tech and get checked, then find a pitt...then time to walk this course, they are always tighter. Gates open @ 7:30 am.Tech closes @ 8:15am, ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 9:49pm
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Thanks Brian. I didn't see your post here on page 3 and I had edited my post at the bottom of page 2 to acknowledge that I had discovered the earlier times posted. See you tomorrow at McD's! Won't be the same not having Tristan there spinning out of control.
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 10:07pm
Wow that is early... need to get some sleep.  See you all tomorrow. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 16 October 2010 at 11:50pm
I think it's good for everyone to see how vcmc runs things. Very military like at times: (please note these times are strictly enforced and anyone not registered/tech'd by 8:30am will not be allowed to run - Please allow enough time for car prep and registration) Sometimes it's good....sometimes...well.... vcmc has the highest number of excellent drivers. If you really want to learn how to do this stuff, I recommend vcmc events. Be sure to ask the organizers for a senior driver to help you out. Take advantage of this opportunity to get some great advice. Have fun! |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 5:19am
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Up and at 'em. Kinda dark out there. No frost though, good sign! Okay, today's the day that Colby and I demonstrate the superiority of the mighty duke!
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:28am
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We have frost...lower elevation:)...dressing warm in layers...lol Nice to see postings from other Fiero's, I know Carol as she was my instructor for Velocity Training and we mnt bike ride, the classes have all changed, looks like I may also, but I am classed as stock modified (SM), let's see. Drive safe, pack LIGHT and see you soon for breaky:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:35am
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Okay, about to leave. I've got my toque.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:04pm
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I'm back. I've had one beer. I'm zonked. T'was a good day.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:37pm
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Plenty of guys there today with cameras. I suspect lots of images and video will be posted by this group. I just happened to stumble upon an image posted on-line which I cropped a bit. May I present, the Mighty Duke...
Thanks to http://picasaweb.google.ca/eclink/20101017VCMCSeries3NCT5?feat=directlink# - Edmond Chan for taking the original image.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:51pm
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Saw that...nice shot:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 7:58pm
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Fastest run with Pat... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsvTahOHNGs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsvTahOHNGs ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:07pm
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Heh, your run looks like mine played 20% faster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YSBdrO-1mE - This was my fastest run. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:22pm
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Colby, very impressive, you were smooth and your lines were good ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
...you are certainly improving, very nice to seePosted By: Colby
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:28pm
The best part is knowing when you've driven a particular section well. It just feels right. 
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 8:53pm
That was a fun ride! Brian, what was that weird noise in the background that sort of sounds like someone talking? It wasn't me! In Colby's video, the "talking" we hear is the race commentator being broadcast over the car's radio (which was kind of a neat feature at this autocross), but the background noise I'm referring to in your video sounds different. It sounds quite distorted. I suppose it must be the track commentator coming over the radio as well, but I don't recall it sounding that weird when I was in your car. Of course, most of the time I was hanging on for dear life and not noticing much else!
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 9:00pm
I think he had his radio turned on. Edit: OK, looks like you edited your post... I think the range of the broadcast was pretty limited, so I bet that's what it is. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 17 October 2010 at 11:38pm
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An interesting video perspective from another of today's competitors can be seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASFrU_a9nU8 - Here .
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 6:44am
Carson's a great driver...and I like that camera angle:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:34am
Excellent, Colby! That's a big step. When I'm driving, I want to get on the gas early when coming out of a turn (most of the time). When you are full throttle zipping past the apex and hoping your car has enough grip to complete the turn and get you to the next section, then you've done it right. This is something that you can easily feel. Screwing up a section by having to brake really hard and make a big steering correction also stands out like a sore thumb. I've done that many times....  I'm glad Rich and JJ were there to help you Dukes. Next time you see them at an autox, don't be afraid to ask them for help again. They are great guys who happen to be great drivers and will be happy to give you a hand. Myself or Brian can introduce you to more great folks in the future to be sure you get some top quality help. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:51pm
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After three kicks at the can, I have to admit to certain frustrations while being on the autocross track. 1) I enjoy the sensation of acceleration. However, I'm frustrated as heck when driving the duke that nothing much happens when I step on the gas. Yes, the car goes somewhat faster eventually, but I want to feel the car I’m driving jump immediately. 2) It seems to me in the corners on the track that the tires which are mounted on my '84 have all the gripping force of melted margarine. Yes, I'm sure I'm contributing somewhat with my less than perfect approaches etc, but with any speed whatsoever my tires were squealing like banshees sliding sideways yesterday. At the next autocross that both Brian and I are at, I’m going to swap tires with him when he’s not looking. Seriously though, what a difference when riding in Brian’s GT. Yes, I fully appreciate the superior driving skills that Brian has developed through repeated practice on the track, but I’m also aware of the huge differences between his GT and my ‘84. I’m not suggesting that Brian should or would be interested in this, but on a "what if?" basis, it would be very educational to see how we’d both make out if we swapped cars for one run. Would Brian’s superior driving skills actually get the duke around the track a whole lot faster, and conversely, would my newb skills on the track slow Brian’s GT times down approaching the duke’s level? Again, I’m not suggesting we actually try doing this, but the wheels are turning in my head regarding possible theoretical outcomes. Now before anyone accuses me of being way too impatient and expecting way too much in way too short a period of time (considering my first autocross was less than a month and a half ago!), let me state quite emphatically that I’ve really enjoyed the three events I’ve participated in up to this point. I have every intention of continuing, and I have every intention on improving upon my newb autocross driving skills. I guess I’m just debating the merits of continuing to drive the ‘84 duke when I suspect I’d be much happier driving a Fiero (yes, I’ll stick with a Fiero) with a bit more (okay, a lot more) juice. I actually think I’m starting to develop bad habits with the duke due to it’s lack of speed. I feel that I’m not learning to apply the brakes at the "usual" points on the track. Although I was locking up my brakes during the Corvette Club autocross (due to the long straightaways), I found that yesterday at the VCMC autocross (which was much more twisty) I was able to go around the entire track without barely applying my brakes at all during a couple of the runs. Just letting up on the gas was usually enough as the duke hadn’t built up enough speed between turns to make anything other than engine braking all that necessary. Sad but true. Driving the mighty duke has been a great introduction to autocross, and I’m not ready to pull the plug on driving her quite yet, but I see a quicker, faster Fiero in my future on the track.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 1:00pm
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You can get a run in my car and see the difference...having the tools does help:).
------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 1:09pm
Honestly Brian, I really wasn't suggesting we actually swap cars for a run, but if you're making the offer... Hell yeah!
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 2:14pm
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Rather than swapping cars for a run, you guys should co-drive your car. Start off co-driving the Duke for a full day. Gives Brian time to get accustomed to the lower power, softer suspension and slippery tires. At the following event, co-drive Brian's nicely set up GT. Once again, gives you time to get used to what you can do with his car. When you co-drive cars like this, you will learn a lot faster. |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:06pm
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That's more or less what I did, my uncle co-drove my car with me one day then another day I drove my dad's car with him. Both were good experiences and I learned a lot. Although the extra power and stickier tires were very nice, in the end I've found it just as much fun and challenging to drive my own car, albeit not as rewarding when looking at the times a few days later. Patrick, I'd be curious to see how much faster you are than me in your GT. I bet in a course like we drove yesterday you would be at most 3 seconds faster than me. I think the bigger gain would be with the tires and little suspension tweaks. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:21pm
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Actually, I'm beginning to suspect that I have the opposite problem with the suspension on the '84. Keep in mind that I've cut two full coils off both the front and back springs. The remaining coils are very stiff. When I go around corners at the track with any speed, the car reminds me of a stone skipping across a pond the way it wants to understeer and slide sideways. In regards to your suggestion Allan, as great as it would be for me, I can't honestly see enough of an upside for Brian. I don't think it would be much of a thrill for Brian to be putt-putting around the track in my mighty duke.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 3:27pm
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Colby, you might get your wish. Perhaps I'll drive my '86 GT at the next autocross I participate in. The fact that it's an automatic kind of turns me off, but at least it does have a bit more "oomph" to it than the duke when the pedal is to the metal.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 5:58pm
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When we got to the autocross site early (7:30 AM) Sunday morning, the entire Pitt Meadows Airport area was fogged in. The fog eventually cleared for us by race time, but it was kind of neat for awhile. I found some great photos posted online which show the changes in the fog as the sun came up.
Photos by http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimo118/5092680398/in/set-72157625188170812 - Asimo .
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 6:48pm
Bet Brian some beer that he can't drive your car faster than you. Brian likes to bet for beer. |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:02pm
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Ya Biatches ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:24pm
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Geez, I might need at least one more day of track time before I'd be willing to risk that bet. Heh heh... If I was to come across as any cockier than that, I might be mistaken for Tristan.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:50pm
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Too funny ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:43pm
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The results have finally been posted. I'll see if I can get them sorted out before Colby or Brian.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 9:57pm
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They posted no less than http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/showthread.php?10114-beat-the-president-VCMC-3-NCT-5-pics-videos-feedback-and-result. - seven lists of times . I don't understand much of it. All I know is that Brian was a whole lot faster than me, and I was a tiny bit faster than Colby. Oh, and Colby and I were not the slowest.
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All hail the mighty dukes! Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:02pm
http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=290&d=1287462792 - Full Results (lists the times for all of your runs) Does that count as getting sorted? The other ones are only relevant to those who were in a more competitive class and there's one which has only novices (but we weren't listed as novices for some reason). http://www.vcmc.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=287&d=1287462792 - ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:07pm
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It's because we're just SO good! Yeah, that's the reason. So Colby, any idea what our indexed times would've been if we hadn't been bumped up a class because of our chopped springs and larger wheels?
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:16pm
2010 NCT #5 & VCMC SERIES #3 TOP OVERALL VCMC MOTORSPORT CLUB VCMC.CA OCTOBER 17, 2010 ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------- POS CLS N DRIVER NAME CLUB YR MAKE MODEL SPONSOR TIRES BEST ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ ------- 1. PAX MARK UHLMANN UBC 97 BMW 328IS GARAGE 5, DRIVEAUTO.CA HOOSIER 37.699 2. PAX JIM MCLAUGHLAN OBCC 90 MAZDA MIATA TRAVEL TYME RV, PDM RACING HOOSIER 38.076 3. PAX DON NIMI VCMC 89 NISSAN 240SX PDM RACING HOOSIER 38.140 4. PAX BRIAN HEMMING OBCC 90 MAZDA MIATA TRAVEL TYME RV, PDM RACING HOOSIER 38.594 5. PAX JOHN YEUNG VCMC 08 MINI COOPER TOYO 38.842 6. PAX OWEN KIRBY VCMC 04 HONDA S2000 39.027 7. PAX LOUIS FRUCHIER 95 BMW 328 HOOSIER 39.077 8. PAX MITCH BURTON 05 SUBARU WRX STI KUMHO 39.728 9. PAX JASON JOHNSON VCMC 08 PORSCHE 911GT3 39.778 10. PAX VICTOR CHOW VCMC 04 HONDA S2000 DK - DIRTY KIRBY 39.822 11. PAX RICHARD MATTE VCMC 09 NISSAN GTR MATTE FINISH TOYO 39.856 12. PAX JAMES YIP VCMC 91 HONDA CIVIC SI HANKOOK 40.012 13. PAX ALEXANDER HO VCMC 89 HONDA CRX TOYO 40.154 14. NS1 N JORDAN FOK VCMC 98 BMW M3 APL MOTORSPORTS BSTONE 40.405 15. PAX DEAN CHEN VCMC 04 MAZDA RX8 MOM KUMHO 40.501 16. PAX JACK YEUNG VCMC 08 MINI COOPER KUMHO 40.506 17. NS2 PETER SCHECK VCMC 10 ULITIMA GTR KUMHO 40.579 18. NS1 GARNET BARTLETT 90 MAZDA MIATA 40.680 19. SG N LOUIS LAW VCMC 04 MAZDA RX8 MOMO KUMHO 40.839 20. NS1 MIKE KIRKWOOD VCMC 02 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS KUMHO 40.864 21. NS1 CARSON AU VCMC 90 MAZDA MIATA BS 40.884 22. PAX RICHARD ARIENZALE VCMC 04 HONDA S2000 TEAM CONE MASTER KUMHO 41.171 23. NS3 RICK LEUNG VCMC 07 MAZDA MX5 KUMHO 41.197 24. PAX BILL RHODES VCMC 94 MAZDA MIATA HOOSIER 41.210 25. PAX MICHAEL MARICH VCMC 91 MAZDA S2000 41.339 26. PAX ADAM MCCAUSLAND UBC 92 MAZDA 323 41.346 27. NS3 N LESLEY HUNG VCMC 05 HONDA S2000 DUNLOP 41.350 28. NS1 N KALSON CHAN 03 PORSCHE 911 C2 41.443 29. NS2 SEAMUS EPP VCMC 86 TOYOTA SUPRA TOYO 41.701 30. NS3 N SHAR ABBASI 91 MAZDA MIATA BSTONE 41.776 31. PAX CAROL WONG VCMC 90 MAZDA MIATA BSTONE 41.804 32. PAX ZACHARY WONG VCMC 94 MAZDA MIATA RENAUD RACING DUNLOP 42.115 33. NS3 N MAX YU LIU VCMC 06 HONDA S2000 42.122 34. PAX BRAD DAVIDSON 87 VW GTI TOYO 42.132 35. PAX GARY FUNG VCMC 11 BMW M3 42.219 36. PAX ALEXANDER CHIU VCMC 07 LOTUS EXIGE BERNIE GOODYEAR 42.251 37. NS2 BRIAN BROWNE VCMC 86 PONTIAC FIERO GT TOYO 42.303 38. NS3 MICHAEL LEE VCMC 09 HONDA CIVIC SI KUMHO 42.345 39. NS2 N ERIC MAN VCMC 92 HONDA CIVIC APL MOTORSPORTS KUMHO 42.666 40. NS1 JACKY PANG VCMC 06 MAZDA MX-5 DUNLOP 42.723 41. NS2 JOE TOTH 88 PORSCHE 944 TURBO 42.737 42. NS3 FABRICE RENAUD VCMC 94 MAZDA MIATA EN FRANCAIS SERVICES ENFR.CA DUNLOP 42.748 43. NS3 N JUSTIN LAURETA 97 MAZDA MIATA 42.814 44. NS2 N ANDRE MILLETTE UBC 99 MAZDA MIATA 42.917 45. NS2 N MATT KWOK VCMC 92 HONDA CIVIC ADVAN 42.932 46. NS2 N DAVID KUNG 01 MAZDA MIATA 43.033 47. NS2 BRIAN SALISBURY 04 MAZDASPEED MIATA DUNLOP 43.082 48. NS3 THOMAS JEWETT VCMC 06 MAZDA 3 DUNLOP 43.088 49. NS3 N ALAN PURDEY 91 BMW 318I YOKOHAMA 43.140 50. NS2 N KATRINA SALISBURY 04 MAZDA MIATA MSP DUNLOP 43.289 51. PAX GREG DAVIDSON VCMC 87 VW GTI TOYO 43.302 52. NS3 N KEN LIU 09 MAZDA 3 BSTONE 43.353 53. NS1 DINA ODONNELL 90 MAZDA MIATA 43.360 54. NS3 JOHNSON YANG VCMC 06 SUBARU WRX STI 43.382 55. NS3 VICTOR CHAN VCMC 06 SUBARU STI GOODYEAR 43.417 56. NS2 KEN LAU VCMC 89 BMW 318I 43.443 57. SG BEHNAM VAHABPOUR 01 OLDSMOBILE ALERO TOYO 43.618 58. SG KELVIN LUK VCMC 04 MINI COOPER S 43.620 59. SG KWOK KIN CHAN 08 ACURA CSX 43.768 60. NS2 ERIC YAU VCMC 07 HONDA FIT HBL 43.898 61. NS3 N KEVIN CHAN 86 TOYOTA MR2 43.911 62. NS1 HARVEY LAM VCMC 08 PORSCHE CAYMAN S BSTONE 43.926 63. NS1 ALAN HEMMING 90 MAZDA MIATA 44.218 64. PAX DENNY FOK VCMC 01 LEXUS IS300 SKY AUTO SERVICES 44.234 65. NS2 DARRELL FUNG VCMC 91 BMW 318I 44.268 66. NS2 LUKE ADAM 96 FORD MUSTANG 44.281 67. NS1 BRYAN LEE UBC 90 PORSCHE C2 44.287 68. NS3 ERIC LAM 00 HONDA S2000 44.552 69. SG MASON LEUNG 06 CHEVY COBALT SS 44.574 70. NS3 N EDWIN LEE VCMC 07 NISSAN ALTIMA 44.695 71. NS2 N CLARKE BAYLES 90 VW GTI 44.783 72. LG MANESA HO VCMC 04 MINI COOPER S 44.986 73. NS1 DEREK CHOI VCMC 90 MAZDA MIATA RICK KUMHO 45.326 74. NS3 COREY LI 01 HONDA S2000 45.415 75. NS2 JACKIE YAU VCMC 07 HONDA FIT 45.494 76. SG CHRIS EAGLES 08 MINI COOPER S 46.226 77. SG WILSON HEUNG 00 PORSCHE BOXSTER 46.390 78. SG TOM WILLIAMS 87 TOYOTA MR2 NEXEN 46.941 79. SG N BERNARD RYU 10 MAZDA 3 47.061 80. SG N SHERMAN WAI 07 VW RABBIT 47.684 81. NS1 PATRICK SHERIDAN 84 PONTIAC FIERO 48.024 82. SG SCOTT MASON 85 TOYOTA COROLLA 48.041 83. NS2 N REGAN PAYNTER VCMC 88 VW FOX GL TOYO 48.694 84. NS1 COLBY JOHANSON 86 PONTIAC FIERO 48.870 85. NS2 BOBBY SANDHU 05 LEXUS IS300 50.185 86. LG LINDA ROBERTSON VCMC 04 VOLVO S40 BFG GFORCE 50.504 87. NS2 N MATTHEW ADAM VCMC 91 HONDA CIVIC SUMO DNF 88. HS DRIVER NOT ON FILE 88. NS3 HENRY HO VCMC 05 ACURA TSX ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:26pm
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Colby, posting that list wrecks the whole page of this thread! It's no fun having to scroll back and forth and back and forth to read the posts (unless you've got a really w-i-d-e screen monitor). Can you perhaps make the font smaller? [EDIT] Okay, that works. Thanks!
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:29pm
I'll just calculate it and see... Your indexed time would have dropped by 1.681 seconds to 38.563 (from 40.244) and put you in 73rd place rather than 82nd. Mine would have dropped by 1.710 seconds to 39.243 (from 40.953) and put me in 80th place rather than 83rd. That's compared to Brian's indexed time of 37.354. So putting on nice tires and competing in the stock class and we may actually be able to beat Brian on indexed times! I hadn't even considered that would be possible in a duke. I'm getting my ratios or whatever they're called for the calculations http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/indexes/rtp2010.html - here . ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:31pm
Aww, you're no fun. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:32pm
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I run a standard resolution of 1024 x 768 and the list is still too wide. The font sizes are still rather large. Can you make 'em smaller or move the columns closer together? [EDIT] It's good now!
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Is it any better now? It looked fine with room to spare in 1366x768.Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:35pm
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Hey now, wouldn't that be the cat's meow!
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:51pm
Moving the columns would be a lot of work since it's just text formatted with spaces. At this text size it's kind of hard to read now. It's been a long time since I've used a resolution as low as 1024x768, so it never even crossed my mind that it would be an issue. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 10:58pm
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It's fine on my monitor, but seriously, how often is anyone going to need to read that posted list? For anyone who has a problem with it (or who really wants to study it in detail), it's pretty easy to click on your earlier links and see the lists in their full glory.
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:01pm
Anybody too lazy to click a link may read it, but other than that it's just redundant. At least if those links die there's a copy here. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:28pm
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I didn't even know what this car was 'til I saw one yesterday participating at the autocross. Have a look at it here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFSVoVqhYw - Nissan GTR car review - Top Gear - BBC It's quite a car!
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 18 October 2010 at 11:48pm
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I was curious as to what a VW Fox GL was (a car which was just slightly faster than me yet slower than Patrick yesterday) and came across http://members.shaw.ca/icollect01/index.html - this . It turns out that's a website dedicated to that exact same car that was there yesterday. Looks like he's in a similar situation with something like 80-90 HP.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 12:17am
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My buddy at BCIT has a Fox, it's awesome. Weighs about as much as my left shoe. On a full tank of gas. Yeah Patty, that GTR is pretty attractive, and definitely fast (Although I dislike the fact it was given the Skyline designation in Japan). ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 12:40am
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Considering that this very light 2160 lb VW Fox GL also has a more efficient SOHC engine, I think we smoked him with our heavier Fieros and old school dukes.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 6:49am
------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
, happy with 52nd overall and 2nd in my class out of 18Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 7:22am
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For Patrick, time to get out of the 1024x768 age. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/sss?query=lcd&srchType=A&minAsk=50&maxAsk=150 - http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/sss?query=lcd&s rchType=A&minAsk=50&maxAsk=150 There are also brand new 24's on sale at NCIX for 189 ------------- Capt Fiero 88 Fiero GT 5spd V6 Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 9:14am
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Brian, you might want to edit your last post and correct the quote. As it stands now, it looks like it's me who's proclaiming my satisfaction of being in 52nd place overall.
Not interested. That would pay for five autocrosses.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:01am
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[QUOTE=Patrick]
Brian, you might want to edit your last post and correct the quote. As it stands now, it looks like it's me who's proclaiming my satisfaction of being in 52nd place overall. Sorry, I was 56th, Pat 82nd & Colby 83rd out of 88 drivers... ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:07am
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Geez Brian, you're still having a heck of a time with those quotes.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:19am
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iPhone and at work...not on my system at home... ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:26am
If I drove the 914 that day I'd have probably come in 55th. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 10:30am
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Ah, I suspected that might be part of the problem. Don't worry, I'm just teasing you. Much like Allan is now doing.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 19 October 2010 at 4:23pm
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Your all Biatches:)!!!...Allan also has a hard time driving a lawnmower, so I don't take what he says to heart:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 1:11pm
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Brother Fieros, waiting patiently for their turn to do battle...
Photo by http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=556871&id=856430301&l=fbc8cb9f47 - Darrell Fung
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 2:14pm
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Liked this shot...my buddy Darrell:) ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 10 November 2010 at 12:14am
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I was playing around with a paint program I've never used before called... http://www.getpaint.net/ - Paint This is an image that I posted earlier in the thread, minus the effects. This is kind of fun.
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