Nose idea for the Bomber
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Topic: Nose idea for the Bomber
Posted By: Nexus
Subject: Nose idea for the Bomber
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 1:22pm
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Ok so I had an idea with the nose of the Bomber today and wonder which version everyone likes best Keep in mind this is not my car!! Version 1 Version 2 or should I go back to the drawing board!!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
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Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 1:57pm
Version 1  Nice idea.
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Posted By: Dawg
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 1:59pm
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I like version one better. The Dawg ------------- You dream it up....I'll make it |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 2:27pm
Version 1 ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 6:59pm
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Funny that everyone says version one... I actually prefer version two. To each their own though; You should do whatever you like best.
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:41pm
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Well so far between this site and the other one I'm on it seems to be dead even I seem to be going back and forth and really decide what to do!!! It was mentioned on version 2 I could put LED driving lights in the slim section
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:50pm
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Pardon the ignorence, but why do you want those slits, anyways? Is it more of an aesthetics choice? ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 8:35pm
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("warning" smart ass comment alert) ...to this I say no duh!
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Romeo wrote:
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 9:23pm
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In version 1 i thought the slits could be the signal light...LED...and the lower (old signal holes) could be ducted to the brakes, but mostly asthetics in version two, the signals remain stock but the slits would be used as LED driving lights!!
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 2:09am
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Oh, nifty nifty. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: beken
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 8:31am
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I think version 2 is functionally appropriate with the lower openings be used
as brake ducts. -------------  Beken (aka Ken) - bekentech@westcoastfieros.com Original and still the owner of an 85SE 2M6 4spd |
Posted By: Dawg
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 10:59am
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Version 2 would be easier to make because the signals stay where they are. However, version 1 has bigger "brake" ports which makes more sense I think. The Dawg ------------- You dream it up....I'll make it |
Posted By: Fire451
Date Posted: 27 February 2011 at 7:51pm
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i am going to go against the grain and say version 2... just looks
just my opinion
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Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 27 February 2011 at 7:55pm
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I thought that also. |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 27 February 2011 at 9:15pm
Your O2? Isn't O2 oxygen? Anyways, like Kevin and yourself, I prefer the sleeker appearance of version 2 as well. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 7:16am
| ...nope, did not say that. Still prefer version 1. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 12:53pm
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Thanks for all the responses everyone I have starred at the pictures a thousand times and I like both...don't know what to do both have equal qualities and arguments as to do them that way!! Any more opinions? ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 1:34pm
Would you mind if I drew up a draft of my dream layout?  ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 4:08pm
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Absolutley not!!!
It might help generate, newer and better ideas for mine!!!
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:23pm
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Excellent, I actually had an idea I was hoping to sketch out. Don't know where my lucky pencil is at the moment, but I'll draw it up tomorrow. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 4:54am
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I look forward to seeing it!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 8:51pm
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You'll have to pardon me, I just figured out how to work my scanner, and on top of that, I made the mistake on free-handing your image rather than just tracing it (Which would've looked better). Never-the-less, here's my own personal touch:
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 8:56pm
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I also like design 1 myself. ------------- Capt Fiero 88 Fiero GT 5spd V6 Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 9:23pm
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Romeo, would you like me to photoshop that in for you? It may take a day or two, I just spent the last 2.5 hrs redesigning a logo for my brother inlaw!! The more I look at the two pics, I seem to be leaning towards version one!!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 11:35pm
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You may do whatever you please, my pictures are free for anyone to play around with as they see fit. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 02 March 2011 at 7:47am
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Version 3
Version 4
This is what I came up with based on Romeo's scetch Is it close to what you were thinking? ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 02 March 2011 at 8:18am
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I actually think you're spot on with number three. I didn't even bother with the gap in my sketch, I transitioned straight from marker light to brake vent inlet. Looks good, nice work! ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 02 March 2011 at 12:21pm
I agree! This is now the version (3) I like best. 
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 02 March 2011 at 2:43pm
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Aw, thanks Kev. As to you, Mr Nexus, if you need any more persuasion, I was playing around with some measurements of the area of the marker light, and guesstimated the size of the vent size. If you eliminate that bit of bodywork between the light and your vent, you should pick up 3.12 square inches of area! When factored in to the rest of the area (Again, by estimation of size) this equates to almost 50% more surface area on the inlet versus type one! Physics baby!
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 11:28am
lol...I never put that much thought into the practical function of the inlet holes...was going solely on appearance and flow...but seeing as how you put it that way, it makes me think a little...lol I'm trying to get better at the photoshop thing...I have come up with an idea for the interior but can't remember if I already posted something here about it. The nose mods are in the future plans but this year I'm going to try and leave things alone and just drive the darn thing and enjoy it!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 11:33am
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another idea I had, and I want to thank the owner of this car for posting such a nice size picture for me to work with!!! Idea 2: Version 1:
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 11:48am
My sentiments exactly! 
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 11:56am
Not my cup of tea, personally. I like the lines in a car to flow together (As a result, the discrepency between the hood line and driver/passenger glass absolutely KILLS me), and on that one, I just don't feel the lines working together. Just my opinion though. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 5:34pm
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... Not sure what you're referring to. Can you elaborate? I've always liked the way the "belt line" on '87-'88 coupe noses extends all the way around the front.
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Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 03 March 2011 at 9:33pm
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Again, I'm on the fence because I like the belt line wrapped around and I like the smooth contour!!! All this photoshop work is making me a little better at it though I also have a supra front nose I am going to try and digitally chop up!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 12:02am
Look at where the hood ends on a GT. The look at where the bottom of the driver's or passenger glass is. On 99.999% of cars, these will be totally equal on the y-axis. On a Fiero, however, the hood sits about 1.5-2.0" higher than the bottom of the glass. Completely ruins the flow and lines. Keep it up Nexus, you've caused quite the buzz with your idea. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 12:56am
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Ummm.... aren't all Fiero hoods the same? Next!
I'm still not sure if I follow you. Keeping that in mind, I seem to recall lots of cars (in the past anyway) where there was a "pocket" for the wipers to hide in when they were down/turned off. Doesn't that result in the same effect you're referring to? If so, looks fine to me.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:06am
No excuse for this, Charlie! Please upload your images to the club's server instead of linking to them on a Photobucket account. That way the images will never disappear from your posts.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 9:03am
Later today I'll snap some picks of my Dodge, my GMC and when it gets back, my mama's Jeep. There is a pocket for the wipers, yes. But they don't have the door glass down from the hood line, they're still in parralel. It's especially bad on the Fiero if one looks at the windshield as compared to the driver's and passenger's side. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:51pm
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Not sure what's going on with the images...let me change pc's and see if I can fix it!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 2:18pm
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Idea 2 Version 1:
Version 2: Needs a bit more work but the idea is there
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 2:50pm
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I like it better now that the lines flow better down below. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 4:58pm
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What would that nose look like with the centre opening reduced in height to only the size of the silver "aero" part? In other words, don't have the opening intrude into the red "coupe" nose part, have the centre opening the same height as the lower brake vents. It's all very subjective, but right now the "mouth" looks way too big IMO. |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 5:41pm
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It's got a http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8i1by4mUk1qap6d2o1_500.jpg - Maserati vibe right now. Maybe a little http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2566/3974339607_bc85f8a47d.jpg - Aston Martin. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 8:45pm
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I'll se what i can conjure up with the opening!!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 March 2011 at 8:51pm
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Retain the front belt line!
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Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 8:26pm
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Ok it took me longer for some reason to make this look right but here it is Idea 2, Version 3
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 8:27pm
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some more tweaks coming with brake vents or running lights edit: Version 4:
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 07 March 2011 at 12:57am
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Hmm... Not sure if I'm as big a fan of these ones. From an aesthetic standpoint, I personally don't find them as attractive as your earlier work, and from an aerdynamic standpoint, I see less flow volume but the same amount od drag. ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 07 March 2011 at 1:12am
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So why did you stick a license plate on these two latest variations when it wasn't on the earlier ones? Let's get that sucker off of there! As I had stated earlier though, I'd also like to see the center opening the same height as the larger custom brake vents. Yes, the same larger custom brake vents which have now disappeared! Don't worry about Tristan's concerns about "less flow volume". If this was a real Fiero, I suspect enough air would hit the rad coming up off the lower air dam.
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Jeez, it's difficult to get good help these days! Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 07 March 2011 at 11:52pm
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My point is that there's already going to be turbulence there from the fact there's airflow; Making it a small orifice where air will struggle to get through will increase turbulence, and thus drag, while simultaneously minimizing the amount of total volume of air flowed. If you're going to have an inlet, and thus a turbulent area - take advantage of it! ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 08 March 2011 at 12:07am
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Tristan, what speeds need to be reached for all this "turbulence" to be causing us an issue? In other words, are we designing a race car or are we discussing mods for the typical grocery-getter Fiero that most of us putt around town in?
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Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 08 March 2011 at 3:45am
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The licence plate is there because I was having a hell of a time getting that section to look right, so I cheated...I'm sorry I will see what I can do to make it more like you were saying Patrick OK Romeo, I'll make another and see what we come up with...maybe the next idea is more to your liking!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 08 March 2011 at 8:36am
Great theoretical analysis Tristan.  ------------- Kevin 08GSXR1000 |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 10 March 2011 at 6:33pm
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ok so I grew bored of those designs and decided to fit the early 90's toyota supra front clip onto the car I really like this design so here it is idea 3 version 1: round holes for fog lights and brake vents included!!
------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 10 March 2011 at 7:07pm
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Nexus, I gotta ask... Are you the reincarnation of http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=836&KW - 85SEnochie ?
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 10 March 2011 at 11:55pm
HELL YES, FIRST GEN SUPRA! As for your question Patty, turbulence doesn't necessitate any speed - it's effect will happen any time there's airflow. It will scale up and become more and more noticable as speed goes up, and while you might not notice the reduced top speed, what one would notice is the reduced gas mileage (Especially on the highway) as a result of it. There's one thing I really tried to specialize in at school, it was aerodynamics. lol ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: Nexus
Date Posted: 11 March 2011 at 11:13am
I am not 85SEnochie...the GT I have is the first Fiero I have ever owned I got the name Nexus from playing Half Life in 99 or 2000...needed a screen name and i heard my teacher talking about a "Nexus" and thought it was pretty cool so voila...11 years later it had followed me around internet life!! ------------- Charlie 84 SE |
Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 12 March 2011 at 1:42pm
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Another good game which has a Nexus is Starcraft, and it's sequel. So, are you an excellent fibre-glasser like our own Johnny Boy and Clynt? Any plans to bring the photoshops to fruition? ------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan. |
Posted By: kharmata
Date Posted: 12 March 2011 at 3:03pm
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Sorry its off topic but Nexus is also a new samsung android cell
phone. ------------- Kevin 08GSXR1000 |