UBCSCC Autox 101 and Welcome Back Autox
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Topic: UBCSCC Autox 101 and Welcome Back Autox
Posted By: Colby
Subject: UBCSCC Autox 101 and Welcome Back Autox
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 10:41am
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Two events back to back, with Autox 101 on Saturday Oct 1 and their welcome back autocross on Sunday. Autox 101:
Welcome back autox:
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UBCSCC wrote:Replies:
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 2:01pm
| Sign up for the Autox 101 school.....now. |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 2:06pm
But that's impossible... "Opens Wednesday, Sept 21 at 6:00 PM" ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 2:26pm
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WE CAN'T, NOT YET !!!
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 8:54pm
I don't read so good! |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 9:44pm
 
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 6:10pm
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101 just opened up, I have a spot.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 6:22pm
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I'm in like Flint. (You young guys will have NO idea what I'm talking about.) Thanks for the reminder, Colby. I was thinking about it all day, and then forgot about it when it actually mattered!
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 7:19pm
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NOW! |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 8:33pm
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now? ok... i am in.  now to work on the leaning in the corners.  |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 10:20pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Like_Flint
Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_like_Flynn Love the flint link
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 21 September 2011 at 11:31pm
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Yeah... "In like Flynn" was the original expression, but that's even before my time.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 23 September 2011 at 6:58pm
http://forum.ubcscc.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4597#p39214 - Re: UBCSCC Autox 101 - Oct 1, 2011 http://forum.ubcscc.com/viewtopic.php?p=39214#p39214"> Event is sold out! Add yourself to the waiting list and we'll let you know if a spot opens up.
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by http://forum.ubcscc.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=415 - Behnam » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:59 am Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 9:18am
Glad you guys got in.  |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 2:06pm
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And we're glad we listened to you. It filled up fast!
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 30 September 2011 at 5:31pm
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I'm almost hoping for a wet track tomorrow. I figure if it's wet, Colby won't have the tire advantage over me and I'll be able to smoke him out there.
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 1:26am
Have fun...and LISTEN and learn, you'll have a good time and gain alot from this day ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 7:02am
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Will Do. As i understand it, they are giving out some cans of whoop A$$. ...and i could certainly use some.  lol |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 7:22am
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Alright, off to school for the first time in a lot of years. I wonder, do students still shoot spitballs at each other? Gary and Colby... look out!
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 5:47pm
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Wow, great day. We got all the track time we could ask for. I used at least half a tank of gas there, with the duke no less. I think I hit 243 cones today, but in my defence, my instructor at one point was ordering me to! I'm pooped now. Colby's quite happy though.
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Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 8:25pm
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Yes indeed. a great day! The rain held off (just) and we only had a little 'teaser' shower. i really recommend others to do this. a regular autocross does not allow this kind of seat time to sort out your 'line'. i sure enjoyed the different lessons and the feedback form each thing i did right, or wrong. http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjQDLMcjet0U&start1=2&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIK0EwWWj5EA&start2=0&authorName= - here is a before / after "side by side" video. The one on the left is the morning and i had to give it a 2s head start and my afternoon video still finishes sooner. thanks to the instructors and the UBCSCC for making this happen! cant wait for the times to be posted. |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 01 October 2011 at 8:34pm
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AWESOME:)...Yes, event for anyone in our club should get out to an event like this and learn for daily driving experience...I ahve been trying to get this message out for years now:)...I still would like to see John and David out there...lol Glad you all gained from this ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 10:27am
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Results are up. http://www.ubcscc.com/events/2011/oct1/T.TXT" class="postlink - Top Times http://www.ubcscc.com/events/2011/oct1/I.TXT" class="postlink - Indexed Times http://www.ubcscc.com/events/2011/oct1/R.TXT" class="postlink - Complete Results ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 10:51am
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Who's Andre? ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 11:09am
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Andre was our instructor. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 10:29pm
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It's weird, now that I actually know how I should be driving a slalom and offset gates, I went back to review my older videos and it's incredibly obvious to me now how late I was in them. I'm really glad I went to this. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 10:39am
Very cool. (I *just* got back from a few days out of town)I'm glad you guys had a great time and this is why Brian and I have been trying to get you guys out to an autox school. You get to work with an instructor and have the time to work on the exercises with him to learn. In this (quoted) case of now knowing what it means to be "late" in a slalom, you will carry that feeling with you forever. It's tough to explain in words what it means and have the "student" understand without the opportunity to practice several slaloms and hook up the words and theory with the feeling you get when you do it right and wrong. A school like this is well worth the money you spent. $80, right? I think you will all agree that it's worth way more than 2-3 regular autocrosses. The VCMC school is about $150 and they have a classroom session before the skidpad day. The skidpad day is about identical to what you just did with UBC and overall, the UBC is better value. However, the VCMC schools will have more highly skilled instructors and if you decide to get more serious about autox, VCMC would be something to consider. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 1:32pm
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Ever been out in a canoe for a few hours and then when you're on dry land again, you can feel the ground moving? That's how I felt on Saturday during supper... I was still moving, still going around pylons! Yes, we certainly got our money's worth with track time on Saturday. Although it unfortunately didn't show in my afternoon times Yes, it was disappointing that I only shaved .909 seconds off my very first run in the morning, despite the fact that I was doing everything "wrong" prior to the lessons. The best example of that was me paying too much attention to my hand positioning on the steering wheel in the slalom one time and not paying enough attention to how fast I was approaching the cones. This resulted in a rather spectacular spinout which brought me inches, perhaps millimeters, from going right off the track and down a few inches into the gravel (where they're currently working on extending the skidpad). One of my front tires was literally sitting on the edge of the asphalt after I had spun the car right around and then having slid quite a distance. Yeah, that kind of scared me a bit. That's the the closest I've ever come to possibly damaging the car at autocross after having lost control. That was also my first time on a damp track during an autocross event. It was good experience to see how much less traction a car has on wet pavement (although I already knew that from 38 years of driving on the street!), but it also confirmed my lack of desire to participate in the Slush Series during the winter months. I enjoy going fast on a dry track (well, as fast as the duke will allow at this point), but I have no interest in reduced speeds while slip-sliding around a wet track. However, the Autox101 was great, and I look forward to taking it again when it's offered next year.
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, I felt I learned a lot in regards to hand positioning on the steering wheel, turning much sooner while going through the slaloms, and keeping the car tight to the cones while going through a sweeper. (Richard, my instructor, was yelling at me during the G-circle exercise... Closer! Closer!! Closer!!! Run over those cones! I want you to run over those cones!!) Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 1:50pm
I talked to my clan about this when I saw them a week ago. I mentioned that when I took the class, I was the same as you, Patrick - I didn't see major immediate results. However, I was exposed to what I should be doing and burned that feeling into my brain. Now I knew what my goals were in various elements of a course. Over the next few autocrosses, I started doing the right thing much more often. If I made a mistake (like being late for a slalom), I recognized this condition and corrected it much sooner. Patrick, during one of your slaloms this summer I remember seeing you get more and more late as you got farther into it, so by the end you were so out of shape it really messed up your exit onto the next section of the course. If you were to repeat that day now, you'd probably recognize yourself getting late and a quick stab of the brakes and quicker hands on the wheel would get you back into a good rhythm again. Join Colby soon and get back out there and practice what you learned. Just take it easy at the edges of the course where danger lies. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 2:28pm
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Oh, without a doubt. Yes, I was disappointed not to see much of an improvement in my times as the day progressed, but I also realized that I was struggling trying to implement these new techniques and therefore wasn't at ease at all while driving. That then led to other problems, other mistakes. It'll take some time and practice to have these helpful new techniques sink in and for me to be back at ease while I'm driving the course. It takes longer to teach an old dog new tricks, but dammit, I'll get it!
Well, maybe what I'll do is sign up at the last minute if it appears that the track will be dry at one or two of the Slush Series events. Allan, thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated.
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Posted By: beken
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 2:34pm
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Wow! A Fiero in the top 10. Excellent! Nice going, Colby and Patrick. You're doing us proud.
I think autocrossing is like golf. You build up to your speed through your course. And if you quit for awhile, your performance drops and then you need to build up again. Then you buy new tires and then you need to make adjustments again......etc BTW...When did MINI Cooper S's get moved up to Class C? They're kind of racing above their weight class, aren't they? -------------  Beken (aka Ken) - bekentech@westcoastfieros.com Original and still the owner of an 85SE 2M6 4spd |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 2:43pm
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Ken, you're too kind. Colby's doing fine, but I don't think I've done much (so far) to enhance our Fiero's reputation on the track. One question I have for Colby... How did you and Andre change between brands of tires on your car so quickly between runs?
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 4:35pm
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It just looks that way because of the limitations of their software, Andre's fastest time was actually set in the 914-6. So, sorry Ken, we're not in the top 10 yet, although if I had to guess I think my car is capable of something like 30.8 on that course (I can usually keep up to Scott in the 85 Corolla) and I bet I could get under 30 with the right tires. For the Mini classing, I know that I've seen Minis in H-stock before, they might have been a few years older though. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 4:41pm
Patrick, I think I know how you feel because my old street tires were so terrible in the rain, the right tires will make all the difference. I didn't have any real issues driving on the damp track on Saturday with my tires, they were almost as predictable as they are in the dry and with a decent amount of grip still. I think you should take my car out on a wet day and see what it's like, you might be surprised. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 8:54pm
What did Andre think of the 914-6?
The Mini Cooper S is a different (speedy) beast. |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 10:45pm
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Al, Andre drove the 914 first in the morning to establish an
understanding of the car with manual everything (and everything else). He drives a miata so you can imagine the differences. He was quiet, and a little guarded initally about the car but by the end of the day you could see the car was starting to grow on him. He comented that it was fun to drive and had good grip and the feel was very raw. He also made mention more than once about adding power steering.
I suggested it was like a big go cart. 
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 5:52am
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You can tell who's spoiled...same reaction when I took the courses and all the comments...be real men and drive our car's!!!...lol ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 9:44am
So true! I wonder what the average course would be like if the designers drove older cars? Gary, I had a dream last night that when you pulled the trans apart this winter you found that the clearancing in the case due to the flipped R&P wasn't enough and that caused the tough shifting into 1st and 2nd. Let's hope that it's an easy fix!  |
Posted By: beken
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 12:27pm
I thought in an older car the shifting into 1st and 2nd are generally harder because the synchros don't really work very well in those gears. Not even sure if 1st gear even had synchros. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. 1st gear was always tough in my Fiero. ------------- Beken (aka Ken) - bekentech@westcoastfieros.com Original and still the owner of an 85SE 2M6 4spd |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 12:36pm
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Ken, in our Fieros 1st gear certainly has synchros. Reverse doesn't. If it's difficult getting into 1st gear while the engine is running (but easy if it isn't running), it's usually an indication that the clutch isn't disengaging sufficiently. And that's a pretty common problen with our cars (but fixable).
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 12:39pm
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Allan, could you please dream about my girlfriend's http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?FID=17&TID=2643&PN=1 - Ford Taurus wagon tonight. I need some help diagnosing its issues.
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Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 2:50pm
The transmission is from a 1980 Porsche 911SC and while far from buttery smooth, the shifting on a regular Porsche 911 of that vintage shifts better than this trans does. It was gone through by a Porsche factory mechanic too. I was warned that shifting would be a little stiff for a bit, but it has enough miles on it now to discount the new synchro idea. |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 2:53pm
You want me to dream about a Ford? That's called a "nightmare". |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 3:21pm
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Yeah, tell me about it!
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Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 04 October 2011 at 9:31pm
i hope the trans has something to fix when i open it. (keeping on topic re: autocross and not auto repair) i have come to understand that if you have all kinds of power you can't use, or other mechanical issues like no power steering or small brakes, the overall performance of your car or enjoyment of an autocross event is going to be lacking. although this is a Fiero forum, i may launch a thread to post a couple of pics of what i find when i open it up... (Once the Formula is out of the garage...) |