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Hmm Ok, missed that.  However something else I just thought of, people with Grand Am front brakes will have roughly 1/2 inch wider front track than factory cars.  Due to the extra 1/4 inch on either side from the Grand Am rotors.
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Originally posted by Capt Fiero Capt Fiero wrote:

However something else I just thought of, people with Grand Am front brakes will have roughly 1/2 inch wider front track than factory cars.

Yep, those are exactly the variables that need to be kept in mind when doing the "string" method of wheel alignment.

 

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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

So Colby, did you correct for this when you did your alignment? Did you, did you, did you?



I did. Though I probably didn't toe-in my rear wheels as much as I should have... not sure exactly what kind of effect that might have, but I know toe-out on the rear wheels makes a car more likely to spin.
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Toe out is touchy, and spins out easier. Toe in tends to "plow", and hold it's traction longer, but doesn't turn as far. It's important to note that almost all suspensions toe out slightly at speed and/or acceleration, and the Fiero specifically has a varying toe in the rear, which is unusual.
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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Oooooo, the times are posted Here!

I haven't even looked at them yet. Off I go...

Hey, we did OK! Just wish I had made my goal of getting into the 59's, next time I guess.
Colby, considering the layout of the course (which I'll post once I get my map out of the car), we did great! That course on Sunday was definitely laid out to favour higher horsepower/faster vehicles!

Okay, here's the layout of the course which we were handed upon our arrival. I've added the words "Start" and "Finish". I've also added the phrase "Twice around" to indicate that we were to go around the figure eight two times.

I'd say the size of the course is pretty close to the size of a football field, although if anyone knows the actual dimensions, please post them. As you can see, this was quite a straightforward course which allowed the faster vehicles to open 'er up a bit. Colby and I were hoping for a layout with plenty of tight turns and no straightaways , but what the heck, we still did well and had a good time doing it!

[EDIT] Does anyone still have a copy of the printout of the course from last month? It would be interesting to see it posted for comparison purposes.

 

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I'm not sure, but I think I remember hearing that it's 1000' x 250'. EDIT: yep.

Here's the last 3 courses, from left to right: July 31, Aug 1, and Aug 8.

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That was a pretty enjoyable little course last time. =)
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Colby, you're a wealth of information!

I like the look of the July 31st course. That's a layout designed for duke powered Fieros!

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think I remember hearing that it's 1000' x 250'. EDIT: yep.

Is that the size of the entire paved area, parking and all? If so, I wonder how much of its length is actually used for the course itself?

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Romeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 September 2010 at 8:40pm
July 31st reminds me of the Clover Leaf that I never ran in New Westminster.
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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Colby, you're a wealth of information!

I like the look of the July 31st course. That's a layout designed for duke powered Fieros!

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think I remember hearing that it's 1000' x 250'. EDIT: yep.

Is that the size of the entire paved area, parking and all? If so, I wonder how much of its length is actually used for the course itself?



If you read the topic I linked to, you would see:

Originally posted by Rich_Sandor Rich_Sandor wrote:

Packwood is actually the same length as our skid pad at 1000' , however, it is 2x as wide: 500' vs our 250'

It also has 3x 250' wide warehouses to use as pits which do not impede unto the 1000' of track. (whereas parking and grid easily take up 1/4 of our 1000' skipad)


The July 31st course was OK, though the slalom was tighter then I knew how to handle and the high ratio steering racks our cars have made it a little challenging.

I like collecting the maps, It's nice to be able to refer back to them later on.
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Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:


If you read the topic I linked to, you would see:

Originally posted by Rich_Sandor Rich_Sandor wrote:

 

...parking and grid easily take up 1/4 of our 1000' skipad

Guilty as charged!  

 

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