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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2011 at 10:10pm |
2003 Olds Alero engine. (Same as Sunfire, Cavalier Grand Am I assume) 2.2 ltr L61 with a Sunfire 5 spd trans. ECM Grafted in behind the console to the Fiero wiring. Not sure but ICM must be from the same car.
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2011 at 10:13pm |
The Alero ignition is intact with the wiring and a small on/off switch wired to it to override the ant-theft.
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Dr.Fiero
Senior Post God Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1726 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 April 2011 at 6:15am |
Ok, well here's a wiring diagram:
Did you have the starter out? Might have whacked the crank position sensor. If you have a scope, you could back probe at the ECM, and see what the signal from the CPS is. Check for power and ground at A & E on the ICM. Make sure the block is still well grounded (maybe a strap got removed during the last fix?). That's a start anyhow - LMK what you find. (where are you anyhow? I have a handheld scope meter) |
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Dr.Fiero
Senior Post God Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1726 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 April 2011 at 8:29pm |
Update for the masses.... spent over an hour on the phone with 'im, and think we've narrowed it WAY down.
More updates to follow I'm sure. |
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Medic
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2011 at 8:26am |
Yes, much valuable info gained in the phone conversation.
Will start with the basics like grounding the car properly to rule that out as the obvious problem. Fingers crossed. |
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Dawg
Senior Member Joined: 15 August 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 988 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 April 2011 at 6:05pm |
Alright Steve! Make it happen.
The Dawg |
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You dream it up....I'll make it
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 April 2011 at 11:28am |
I did all the recommended fixes as per the Doctors preliminary orders and the car is still a no fire. Spins the engine much faster than before but still a no start with ether.
Good constant Power to the ICM but I am thinking there is no spark reaching the plugs and possibly no injector pulse. Will replace the Crank sensor as it is cheap and can rule it out. |
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Dr.Fiero
Senior Post God Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1726 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 April 2011 at 11:40am |
See if the signal is reaching the ECM before you just toss one in. If it
does turn out to be a connector or wiring issue, you'll be chasing your tail in circles. |
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 April 2011 at 12:40pm |
Good news, I pulled the connector/wires off the CKP and removed the black tape covering the splice. One of the wires had come off inside. Resoldered it and the car now fires. It runs for a couple seconds then it dies. on the right track..............
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Romeo
Senior Post God Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 April 2011 at 2:03pm |
Hm. Do you happen to know if there's any codes? That could help point you in the right direction for chasing down the remaining fault(s).
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Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Dr.Fiero
Senior Post God Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1726 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 April 2011 at 3:29pm |
Check that passkey bypass module. That sounds like the security system kicking in.
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 April 2011 at 5:34pm |
That was the first thing that came to mind. The are part of the BCM and apparently pretty troublesome and give a lot of grief. There are a couple bypass options out there.
Not sure how it works in conjunction with the fireo ignition though. I do get a "chime" when I put the key in, it speeds up after a few seconds. There is a process to reset it but I haven't had much luck with that so far. |
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Dawg
Senior Member Joined: 15 August 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 988 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 April 2011 at 1:00am |
You know, I've read about all sorts of trouble people have had with trying to retrofit stock ECM's to their new car bodies.
If I ever go beyond a 3.4L and need to change out the stock ECM I'm going to take a good long look at MegaSquirt. Seems to me that you would have the most flexability. Sounds like you're getting close anyway. The Dawg |
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Romeo
Senior Post God Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 April 2011 at 9:30am |
Yeah, Megasquirt, XFi an Holley Fuel Injection are all very adaptable, and best of all, "tune themselves" so you don't need to program them either.
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Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 April 2011 at 2:02pm |
It's Alive!
The BCM must have reset itself. I had it for a burn down the road today. |
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Dr.Fiero
Senior Post God Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1726 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 April 2011 at 3:49pm |
Awesome!
Amazing how much beter they work when they have power and ground huh? |
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 April 2011 at 5:05pm |
Yes and it helps if the cks is hooked up.
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Dawg
Senior Member Joined: 15 August 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 988 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 April 2011 at 7:19pm |
How about a congratulatory burn out?....:)
Does this mean we'll see it at a meeting soon? The Dawg |
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 April 2011 at 8:54pm |
Probably not, it needs a provincial inspection so everything will have to be working to pass.
The car is real low and the front wheels rub. The speedo,tach,oil pressure,temp (and of course the e-brake) do not work. The shifter now works properly and the clutch problem is solved. I will need to find a good guy to do the inspection. |
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Medic
Senior Member Joined: 31 October 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 121 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 April 2011 at 12:32pm |
Now the job of getting the car to the prov inspection stage.
Fuel and volts work but I need to get the speedo and tach working. Is this a pain in the neck? They obviously work different than most GM cars. should I just go with aftermarket gauges? I may try the Alero gauges if I can fab them into the dash somehow. |
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