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2003 Olds Alero engine. (Same as Sunfire, Cavalier Grand Am I assume) 2.2 ltr L61 with a Sunfire 5 spd trans. ECM Grafted in behind the console to the Fiero wiring. Not sure but ICM must be from the same car.

 

 

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The Alero ignition is intact with the wiring and a small on/off switch wired to it to override the ant-theft.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dr.Fiero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2011 at 6:15am
Ok, well here's a wiring diagram:



Did you have the starter out?  Might have whacked the crank position sensor.  If you have a scope, you could back probe at the ECM, and see what the signal from the CPS is.

Check for power and ground at A & E on the ICM.  Make sure the block is still well grounded (maybe a strap got removed during the last fix?).

That's a start anyhow - LMK what you find.
(where are you anyhow? I have a handheld scope meter)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dr.Fiero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2011 at 8:29pm
Update for the masses.... spent over an hour on the phone with 'im, and think we've narrowed it WAY down.

More updates to follow I'm sure.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2011 at 8:26am
Yes, much valuable info gained in the phone conversation.
Will start with the basics like grounding the car properly to rule that out as the obvious problem.
Fingers crossed.

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Alright Steve!  Make it happen.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 11:28am
I did all the recommended fixes as per the Doctors preliminary orders and the car is still a no fire. Spins the engine much faster than before but still a no start with ether.
 Good constant Power to the ICM but I am thinking there is no spark reaching the plugs and possibly no injector pulse.
Will replace the Crank sensor as it is cheap and can rule it out.

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See if the signal is reaching the ECM before you just toss one in. If it
does turn out to be a connector or wiring issue, you'll be chasing your
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 12:40pm
Good news, I pulled the connector/wires off the CKP and removed the black tape covering the splice. One of the wires had come off inside. Resoldered it and the car now fires. It runs for a couple seconds then it dies. on the right track..............
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Romeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 2:03pm
Hm. Do you happen to know if there's any codes? That could help point you in the right direction for chasing down the remaining fault(s).
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Originally posted by Medic Medic wrote:

It runs for a couple seconds then it dies. 

Check that passkey bypass module.

That sounds like the security system kicking in.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2011 at 5:34pm
That was the first thing that came to mind. The are part of the BCM and apparently pretty troublesome and give a lot of grief. There are a couple bypass options out there.
Not sure how it works in conjunction with the fireo ignition though. I do get a "chime" when I put the key in, it speeds up after a few seconds.
There is a process to reset it but I haven't had much luck with that so far.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dawg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 1:00am
You know, I've read about all sorts of trouble people have had with trying to retrofit stock ECM's to their new car bodies.

If I ever go beyond a 3.4L and need to change out the stock ECM I'm going to take a good long look at MegaSquirt.  Seems to me that you would have the most flexability.

Sounds like you're getting close anyway.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Romeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2011 at 9:30am
Yeah, Megasquirt, XFi an Holley Fuel Injection are all very adaptable, and best of all, "tune themselves" so you don't need to program them either.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 2:02pm
It's Alive!

The BCM must have reset itself.

I had it for a burn down the road today.
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Awesome!

 

Amazing how much beter they work when they have power and ground huh? 

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Yes and it helps if the cks is hooked up.
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How about a congratulatory burn out?....:)

Does this mean we'll see it at a meeting soon?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2011 at 8:54pm
Probably not, it needs a provincial inspection so everything will have to be working to pass.
 The car is real low and the front wheels rub.
 The speedo,tach,oil pressure,temp (and of course the e-brake) do not work.

The shifter now works properly and the clutch problem is solved.

I will need to find a good guy to do the inspection.  
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Now the job of getting the car to the prov inspection stage.
Fuel and volts work but I need to get the speedo and tach working.  Is this a pain in the neck? They obviously work different than most GM cars.

should I just go with aftermarket gauges?


I may try the Alero gauges if I can fab them into the dash somehow.




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