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    Posted: 06 September 2011 at 3:53pm
I'm going to chime in here with a bit of a rant. The original article regarding the 12 exotic cars is sensationalized media reporting similar to the National Enquirer.

I would guess that the 12 cars were members of a car club on a club drive, perhaps to dinner, and were speeding. If they were excessively speeding, the fines would have been a lot more than $197. $197 is the charge for a speeding ticket. To say "witnesses report there were doing over 200Kph" only says that those unknown accusers were doing over 200kph themselves. Those cars look like they're going fast while parked. They have cameras at the tunnel and at they Hwy 10 junction. They can calculate how fast they were going and "have no evidence to see they were even speeding".     

In yesterday's Province paper on another article, I note how watered down the story became when they mention the 12 exotic car incident. They were issued $197 fines. Nothing else. A big deal is made of the value of the cars but they're exotic cars.   I agree with Romeo here. Not a chance they were racing.

Impounded? Probably only until they proved ownership of the cars. Those cars are likely leased, or rented for the day.

Okay...I got that off my chest.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Romeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2011 at 10:24pm
I don't know if I can even blame the lack of tracks (Not that I'm arguing against that, in case any city planners are reading!). I know since starting autocross my speed on the road has slowed... None at all. Sure, it's nice to go absolutely balls out at autocross, and push it to the absolute limit, but that doesn't suddenly replace the desire to still zip about when commuting. Not condoning trying to do 200 in heavy traffic, but CFoss nailed it: When you're on the street in a decent car, and it's safe to do so, one will typically go fast. Anyone claiming a Lamborghini doing 140km/h is "racing" though, is being asanine... Driving quickly? Yes. Speeding? Yes. Racing? Not a damn chance.
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Something the cops don`t want to talk about is that the leading indicator of crashes involving speed is not the amount oveer the limit, its the percentage differential between the speed limit and the speed travelled. In other words, 30k over in a 50 zone is deadly (60%), but not nearly so much in a 100k zone (30%).

But they wouldn`t make any money that way would they!!!!

It sucks that there aren't more tracks around, and more support for them, but that's how it is. At 17....it's the same old thing; immediacy.
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Originally posted by InfernoFiero InfernoFiero wrote:

My opinion: We should have something like the Autobahn!

Autobahn with competent drivers = Autobahn

Autobahn with Canadian drivers = Crashing

 

Although many are loathe to admit it, 99.9% of the time speed is not the concern, the drivers are. The reason you don't see a huge spike in crashes on the Autobahn over the Canada 1 is because the drivers there are competent enough to handle it. You aren't going to have someone trying to move over to the left with a driver pulling up at 150MPH on the left and they know it. Canadian drivers, in comparison, are morons and try to merge when there is clearly not enough room. Which is why we end up more crashes on the Canada 1 compared to the Autobahn.

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Originally posted by Capt Fiero Capt Fiero wrote:

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My opinion: We should have something like the Autobahn!
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Originally posted by CFoss CFoss wrote:

For this reason I'm going to take my car (once it's done) to the track to really run it hard.

Good choice.    If you have any questions about track driving, including which groups are good to run with then drop me a line.  I know all the key guys in the local track scene and can help point you in the right direction based on your goals.

Originally posted by CFoss CFoss wrote:

But, when you have a km or more visibility stright line any day of the week (Lake Cow hwy) it's hard not to pull the trigger once in a while.

Include great sight lines to the left/right for wildlife issues as well.  Animals can move fast and can jump right in front of you without much warning.

Originally posted by CFoss CFoss wrote:

Why someone would open it up on Knight St. or other main artery is beyond me! At least on the highway there is some room, but at 200k things come up reallly quick. Too quick.

At Portland International Raceway (PIR), I can hit 240km/h in my car every lap.  Things do happen fast at that speed and especially if you are off-line passing someone on the curved back straight.  On the front straight, 240km/h is quite boring.  Straight.  Flat.  Yawn.

However, even on a seemingly flat-ish stretch, things can go very wrong.  One time at PIR, it was wet and a buddy hit the crest of a small rise under full throttle at about 130km/h.  That grip reduction, along with the rear suspension unloading a bit and all the horsepower he had in his car caused the drive wheel to spin (no LSD).  That sent him into a spin, flying off the track and he went into a wall, completely destroying his beautiful Porsche.  This sort of thing can easily happen on a regular road.  Those occasional dips and crests that you experience at 100km/h are very different at higher speeds.

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seems to me if they can own the car, they could buy the track time... this is never a good ending to going fast. 

excessive speeding in the city is sort of like shooting a bullet into a crowd and hoping to miss...


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In a separate incident, two more kids are caught racing their expensive sports cars (BMW and Porsche) on a public road. This time both these idiots are 17 years old... 17 years old!

Flipping burgers must pay an awful lot more than it did when I was that age.  

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Street-racing vehicles impounded in West Van

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Posted: Sep 2, 2011 7:49 PM PT

Last Updated: Sep 2, 2011 7:43 PM PT

This BMW ended up in a ditch with extensive damage after the novice driver allegedly eluded police.

This BMW ended up in a ditch with extensive damage after the novice driver allegedly eluded police.

Two street-racing teenagers have had their high-end vehicles impounded and face charges after police clocked them going more than 140 km/h in West Vancouver, police say.

A police officer spotted the cars on Cypress Bowl Road just after 10 a.m. PT Friday going 143 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, said Cpl. Jag Johal.

“The driver of the BMW sped past the officer in an attempt to elude,” said Johal.

“The driver of the Porsche made an evasive manoeuvre by pulling a u-turn and fleeing away from the officer.”

Johal said the BMW was located in a ditch with about $15,000 damage and the Porsche was located at a nearby school.

Both vehicles were impounded for street racing and the two 17-year-old novice drivers were prohibited from driving for 15 days.

Police will be recommending the charges of excessive speeding and failing to stop for police, said Johal.

 

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I like the idea of going fast.Who doesn`t? Speed enforcement...don't get me started.


Time and place though.

In my old age I'm beginning to wonder about my tires and suspension, but in my youth I would run topped out in my '68 rambler (it was 20+ years old at the time, I'm not that old) at 80mph, as fast as it would go (83.5 to be exact...had to pump to get accelerator pump output at the top end). No concern what-so-ever.

I wonder now what would have happened if I came around the corner to a broken down minivan. Not good.

For this reason I'm going to take my car (once it's done) to the track to really run it hard.

But, when you have a km or more visibility stright line any day of the week (Lake Cow hwy) it's hard not to pull the trigger once in a while.

Why someone would open it up on Knight St. or other main artery is beyond me! At least on the highway there is some room, but at 200k things come up reallly quick. Too quick.




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Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

The "Porsche Train" group is a bunch of friends and I'm part of that group.

That's really cool Allan, and here I thought you guys drove down to Oregon!

 

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Another article about this group - with a different bit at the end.  The "Porsche Train" group is a bunch of friends and I'm part of that group.  I practice what I preach.  

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/local/2011/09/01/18630826.htm l

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Here comes another opinion.... 

Couple things come to mind.  It's too bad the cops didn't witness the incident themselves, because then proper charges could've been laid, backed up by either speed measuring equipment or a trained eye. As it turned out, all they had to go by were phone calls from Joe Public and then the cops/crown can only go so far.  No seizing of cars unless other evidence turns up.

I think the province could use plenty of extra money so I'd love to see seized cars sold and the proceeds going to fund hospitals, schools, etc.  Maybe even a closer race track than Mission!  It seems like a waste to crush them.

As far as finding a nice "safe" place on a public road to let 'er rip - I'm completely against it.  Yes, I do think the speed limits are artificially low, but I spend a lot of time driving fast on a track and know very well that <bleep> happens out there.  How well maintained is the average car?  Can it withstand driving at speed - safely? 

It's high risk even on a well-manicured race track as opposed to a poorly maintained road in the sticks where rocks, wildlife and cars leaking all kinds of crap can make for a scary situation.  Ever driven hard in a corner only to find yourself driving on antifreeze?  It's like ice.  Ever had a deer jump out in front of you?  It will destroy your car and maybe kill you.

Do you think the average person will instinctively do the proper correction for all the different types of understeering and oversteering situations they could find themselves in?

Driving at high speeds requires some training and skill-building, no matter how good the driver thinks s/he is.  You just can't learn all the skills you need, unassisted, on a public road.

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Originally posted by Graeme Graeme wrote:

You just never know when to quit do you Patrick? incredible..... What's wrong with you man?? seriously? Haven't enough people told you to back the f**k off??

There's a huge difference between being outright rude and disrespectful and having an opinion.

Nice.

In all the years that I've posted on internet forums, I've never ever addressed anyone in that manner. Not even close.

Take a good look in the mirror, Graeme.

 

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You just never know when to quit do you Patrick? incredible..... What's wrong with you man?? seriously? Haven't enough people told you to back the f**k off??

There's a huge difference between being outright rude and disrespectful and having an opinion.
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Originally posted by Graeme Graeme wrote:

Again, just an opinion.

I guess I'll never understand why it's perfectly acceptable for some members to post an "opinion" on the club's forum, and yet it's somehow improper for others to do the same thing.

Just an... observation.

 

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Originally posted by Romeo Romeo wrote:

Why would you do something as stupid as crush a Ferrari or Lamborghini? Those machines are worth $200000. And jail doesn't do them justice? Jail does murderers justice, I think it's fitting punishment for a street race that involved no crashes, damage or fatalities of any kind...



No. They cost that much, not worth it though. That's not a fact though, just an opinion.

Murderers should get exactly what they gave. Jail time doesn't do them justice either.

Again, just an opinion.
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Originally posted by Graeme Graeme wrote:

Great. Hopefully their cars will be crushed and they're fined so far up the ass that they're grandkids will feel it. Jail time doesn't do these kinds of vagrants and criminals justice. If one of these pricks raced by me, "accidentally" clipping me and my little girl into a ditch or a tree.. hell hath no fury, I can tell you that. There's no place for that kind of stuff in society. Take it to a track.

I'd have to say I'm disappointed in your attitude towards it Dave. You've got a daughter, you can't tell me you don't worry about idiots on the road crashing into you today? You seriously would risk others' children for the "rush" or racing on public roads at 200k an hour? I don't believe that for a second.

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Why would you do something as stupid as crush a Ferrari or Lamborghini? Those machines are worth $200000. It would make a hell of a lot more sense to sell them. And jail doesn't do them justice? Jail does murderers justice, I think it's fitting punishment for a street race that involved no crashes, damage or fatalities of any kind...

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No surprise, the fix is in. Amazing what a lot of money will allow wealthy bastards to get away with. (Note: No, not all wealthy people are bastards. I'm not saying that. I'm just referring to these punks, and possibly their parents.)

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No evidence to pursue more charges against sport car drivers in speeding convoy

By EVAN DUGGAN and TRACY SHERLOCK, Vancouver Sun August 31, 2011
 
More than $2 million worth of high-powered sports cars were impounded in Surrey and White Rock after a convoy of youths were apprehended after racing along Highway 99.

Photograph by: Gary Hanney, Special to the Vancouver Sun

• For more photos of the impounded cars, click here

METRO VANCOUVER -- Despite catching a convoy of youth in 13 high-powered sports cars on camera, police may not have enough evidence to pursue further charges.

Cameras in and around the George Massey Tunnel captured the cars as they cruised southbound toward Surrey, but the footage provided no evidence of speeding, police said on Friday.

"We already checked the cameras," said RCMP traffic services' Supt. Norm Gaumont, adding that "nothing dangerous happened in the tunnel," probably because of rush hour congestion.

Several witnesses have come forward saying that the pack, which included Maseratis, Lamborghinis and Mercedes, were driving on Highway 99 Wednesday afternoon at speeds upwards 200 km/h.

The drivers face charges of driving without due consideration for others, which comes with a $196 ticket and six driver penalty points, which will trigger a $300 penalty point premium.

Gaumont said Thursday there is a lot of disappointment that the drivers face only $196 fines, but there is not enough evidence to charge them with the more serious offence of dangerous driving.

"We don't have police officers who observed the offence, and we don't have lasers and radars that have the speeds," Gaumont said. "We have to really depend on third-party individuals who had called in."

Gaumont said if he gets the evidence he needs, he will pursue more serious charges and try to seize the vehicles permanently.

"Certainly, if I could, I would, in this case," Gaumont said in an interview at Bayview Towing in Surrey, where some of the vehicles are being held. "If we do get the evidence, I will be pursuing it, but in this case they may have been lucky."

The vehicles, together worth more than $2 million, were impounded in Surrey and White Rock after the incident, which involved youths from Vancouver and Richmond.

Gaumont said the incident began just before rush hour at about 3;30 p.m., "when we got multiple calls coming in that multiple expensive vehicles were racing down Highway 99.

"We were able to intercept six of these vehicles in Surrey and the other seven were intercepted in White Rock."

The 13 flashy cars — a Ferrari, three Lamborghinis, three Nissans, two Maseratis, two Mercedes, an Audi and an Aston Martin — were seen driving at speeds upwards of 200 km/h, RCMP said.

"We were very lucky that nobody lost control or was hurt or killed," Gaumont said.

At one point, two of the drivers appeared to be driving side by side holding up traffic to free up racing space for other cars.

The drivers — 12 men and one woman — were all under the age of 21, and six still had their N, or novice, licence. One driver did not have a B.C. licence, and was using a foreign licence, Gaumont said.

Just one driver was the registered owner of the vehicle he was driving.

One car had less than 200 kilometres on the odometer, police said.

Besides the fine and the penalty points, the drivers will also be on the hook for all of the towing and storage costs — about $350.

The cars will be impounded for seven days, Gaumont said, adding this is the first time he has seen this many vehicles impounded at once.

In spite of the incident, Gaumont said he thinks the province has strong enough deterrents against street racing in place, given that police have the ability to seize vehicles if they have sufficient evidence.

Gaumont said the novice drivers would have their licences reviewed by the superintendent of motor vehicles.

"For those that fall under the graduated licensing program, one possibility is that those will lose their licence and have to start all over again back in the learning stage."

Gaumont said he did not know where the drivers were headed.

"They were going for dinner in White Rock, is what [the youths] said," said Gary Hanney, a freelance cameraman who arrived at the scene in Surrey at around 5:30 p.m.

It took until about 8:30 p.m. to get all the cars loaded onto tow trucks, he said, explaining that because there were so many cars, two towing companies had to "shuttle" the vehicles to a pair of lots.

"Not too many of them were in low spirits," Hanney said of the drivers, adding that one asked to have his car, a blue Lamborghini, towed to his home, because he had a trip planned to Los Angeles the next day.

Last fall, a $235,000 Ferrari impounded after a street race that reached speeds of 200 km/h was forfeited under the Civil Forfeiture Act.

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The 13 vehicles seized:

2007 Ferrari 599

2010 Lamborghini Gallardo

2010 Lamborghini Gallardo

2009 Lamborghini Gallardo

2009 Audi R8

2012 Nissan GT-R

2010 Nissan GT-R

2010 Nissan GT-R

2010 Maserati Turismo

2010 Maserati Turismo

2011 Mercedes SL63

2011 Mercedes SLS

2005 Aston Martin DB9

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