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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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I tried to decide if this should be in O/T or Tech as its the Air Compressor in my garage that I and many people use to fix there Fiero's at my house. So it is technically Fiero repair related.
So here goes.
The back story, my main compressor quit about a month ago, and I borrowed one to keep me running for the time being. Our neighbor who is a steel worker and drag motorcycle guy is moving and offered me a small compressor he only put about 20hrs of use on at a job site. Well I brought it home, hooked it up, and fired it up, and it caught fire!!!! I don't know how long it had been sitting, he honestly doesn't remember. Its been sitting in the back of his garage/shop for years. Initially I was going to run 2 compressor side by side set at different "fire up" pressures. Running the main with a 90psi fire up pressure and the 2nd one would only fire is the system pressure drops below 80psi. Found out quickly that the garage breaker would kick out if both were running at the same time for more than 2mins. So I went only to the new compressor. Everything was looking good, it was up to about 120psi with a 145psi shut down pressure. I was running the air line out to the driveway as I was going to test it inflating a few tires. As I walk back to the garage I am kinda looking down at the pressure gauge and I hear a POP, there is a 4" tall flame coming out of what looks like a giant capacitor on the side of the motor, I quickly rip the power cord out of the wall and pull the compressor away from the garage wall, the fire goes out on its own. After a few mins to relax from what could have been a really bad situation, because I leave my garage compressors powered up at all time, if this would have happened while I was say eating dinner inside the house, it could have been really, really, really bad. I called up Dr.Fiero aka Watts, and spoke to him, he said it sounds like the cap failed. My old compressor has something that looks similar, only with the addition of a reset button. I was thinking about taking it from my old compressor and moving it to the new one. However without hearing from some people that are more familiar with 110v motors. I know enough to know, that I should ask before I proceed. So from the pics below can anyone offer any input. P.S. The compressor feeds a much larger 20 gallon reservoir tank, with a manifold to feed the air lines/tools.
Does anyone recognize the brand "Friend" or know where it would have been bought new? Dan honestly does not remember, it was only bought as they needed a small portable compressor for a job site, it was bought last min for $200, got about 20hrs of use on the site then tossed in the corner. Compressor Hood removed, showing big white cap/tube thing The flame was from the end of the tube, I think the pop I heard was the end of it popping off Tried to show the guts Kinda Ironic to find a Special BC decal saying its inspected to be Fire Safe. This is the similar unit on my other machine, was thinking of moving it over if it would be safe to do. |
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Capt Fiero
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Dr.Fiero ![]() Senior Post God ![]() Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1726 |
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As I was saying in the email I just sent you (that you probably haven't read yet!) -- it's just a 100uf (micro farad) motor start cap. The voltage can be anything higher than 'stock' - just not lower. Try to keep the capacity as close as possible (ie, a 90 or a 110 would be fine).
Easy to replace. The new one might have spade lugs, or bare wire ends. They're not polarized, so just snip off the old one, then hook either wire up to your new cap and you're done. |
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Wow. That $20 could've got really expensive. Is that the unit the guys were telling you about yesterday?
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Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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Yep I went over to take a look at it, was about to grab my wallet, and he said, "hey you've done enough computer favors for me over the years, just take it home." Looks like I'll have to replace the one part and then start using it. |
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Capt Fiero
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Well, hey, at least it was free, right?
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Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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marcelvdgn ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 284 |
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Dave check to mke sure there is compressor oil in the resevour as well, before you change that electolytic capacitor. m |
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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Yep Marcel that was the 1st thing I did when I got it home, as Dan said it does have a slow oil leak. I usually change the oil in my unit once a year to make sure it is good. I think for the reasonable cheap cost of the caps, I may buy 2 of them. Then try one on my other compressor to see if that fixes it. The cap in the old one is only a 60uf and not a 100uf that the new one has.
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Capt Fiero
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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Well just a quick update to this thread, in my typical fashion of using what I got. (I did call around for the proper part and no one that I called had exactly what I needed.) I had tossed the compressor in the corner and just used the tiny one I had. Yesterday the tiny one was really pissing me off, it too was cutting out, and due to its size, it took over 5-10min to get my big tank up to pressure. So I went to my old red compressor, yanked the 60u cap from it, and put it on the blue one. (blue had a 100u cap) I carefully pulled the compressor out of the spot it was in, and put it at least 3ft from any wall and had it sitting on concrete. I plugged it in and away it went. However that was from dead empty. When it tried to start with 80psi in the tank, it kinda hummed, tried to start and proceeded to blow the breaker in the house. FRACK FRACK FRACK. Me being inventive, I tried to think what I could use to give it a "jump start, push" when I needed it to fire up. I start looking around the garage brain storming, hmm, socket on end of compressor, then a drill to get it started. I quickly found a socket that fit the end of the cooling fan attached to the compressor shaft, once I got it started with the drill, I hit the power button and ZOOM it took off. I set the high pressure shut off to 150psi, once it turns off, I simply turn the compressor off go do what I need. From 70psi it'll get me to 150psi in about 2mins. Still not perfect, but much happier with it. |
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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Well Tim saw me fighting with the cheap compressors to work on all the club members cars when they are over here, he decided to purchase a toy for the garage. Picked up a brand new 2.5hp 10gal reserve tank complete compressor. It had already been marked down from $249 down to 149, and then as it was the last one they dropped it to $125 I plumed it in last night, and It works like a hot damn. Its only 4.1cfm at 90psi, but more than enough to do all the stuff on Fiero's and with the extra reserve tanks and dryers, I shouldn't have any major issues with painting. I am really enjoying something that I can run die grinders with reckless abandon on. |
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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As a few people I know I have been side lined by some personal issues, so, I don't have any updates regarding the car stuff, but I did manage to fit in 30 mins to actually try an idea I had planned out in theory in my head. The small compressors fire up pressure is 90psi and shut down at 140psi. The big compressor has an 80psi fire up and a 125psi shut down. Now seeing as both the reservoirs of the 2 compressors feed into one giant tank, I figured why not run them both. First issue was power, man this things draw a lot of juice. When I tried to run them on the same house circuit, POP goes the breaker. Ok so split them up onto separate power feeds. It Worked! I grabbed the worst offender when it comes to air, my angle grinder, I hit the trigger, from a starting pressure of 120psi the pressure started dropping fairly rapidly. When it hit 90, the small one came on, and tried to sustain it, however it couldn't, the pressure fell to 80psi and the larger compressor fired up, pressure actually started to climb, it got to 100psi and held stable. I let go of the tool and watched as the pressure got back up to 125 and the big compressor shut down, the little one continued to run until everything got up to 140psi then the small one shut down. Considering my angle grinder draws more air than even my spray guns, I was really happy. I can now run basally any air tool I have full time without needing to stop. I did notice that because the small compressor comes on first and is the last one to shut off, it does take a bit of a beating temperature wise. I may have to put a small fan blowing on it whenever I have to run everything hard. All in all I am really happy. Now just to get my "other" stuff taken care of, then get back to work on the V8. |
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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I meant to post these a week ago, this is the new "improved" air system. I have 2 compressors and res tanks that can all be opened closed or bypassed. I'll quickly narrate Main dry and regulator, The Dr, said to get the drier line way up and over, help keep moisture from killing the dryer. Quad hose manifold and primary bypass. The main large compressor, feeds the single line on the back of the steel LNG tank. When the black knob is turned one way, it passes the LNG tank and feeds direct to the tools and only maintains the single 10gallon tank. When I move the valve the other way, it opens up both lines into the long black tank, allowing me to double my reserve capacity when needed.
Now here is where took some thought, The Brute and the "Friend" compressor are both hooked to the main LNG tank. When everything is powered up and valves are open, the small Blue compressor will fire up, and if I continue to pull air out faster than it can put it in, the pressure will drop to 80psi and the large Brute fires up. Both will run constant until it gets to 120psi, at 120spi, the Brute shuts back down and only the blue one will continue to run until the entire system is up to 140psi. I did some experimenting with it, and I can run my air die grinder steady on, and the 2 compressors are able to keep up with it. My new paint guns only need 5 cfm and the Brute alone will do more than that. So I don't foresee any major issues regardless. Oh just as a foot note. The blue hose can be unplugged from the tank and plugged into the dryer direct. I did it this way so I could remove the line from the dryer and not burn it up on day to day tasks. When I do start the painting, I will open up the new line that is sitting there onto of the LNG tank. Note the black dryer line going over the doorway. |
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