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    Posted: 13 December 2010 at 11:18pm
Hey just got this 1984 Fiero SE and found this forum. I wanna basicly learn what i can do with this car. Get some ideas for it.

So here it is.

1984 Pontiac Fiero SE
2.5L 4 cylinder
4 speed standard




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Welcome to the forum, Keith. What part of the country are you in?

 

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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Welcome to the forum, Keith. What part of the country are you in?

I'm from Port Alberni, BC

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aww hell my home town
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Aloha Keith.
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Hey! I lived in Port Alberni in 1970/71.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dawg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 December 2010 at 6:32pm
Hi Keith,

There's so much you can do to that car you won't believe it.

How many miles on the car?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Capt Fiero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 December 2010 at 1:54pm
 Well the 1st thing you want to do is find out what 4spd you have in it.  There were 2 4spds in 84 the "Sport and the Econo"  The sport was great for the duke in town, made it fairly quick, however would redline at I think 140-150kph.  The Econo was a great highway trans, and good on gas, however was rather poor for acceleration due to the really tall gearing.  The V8 guys like to find those Econo trans and use them behind big torquy V8's so don't garbage it if you have the Econo.  The Performance 4spd can be kept with the car or sold to the higher reving V6 guys.  You can then either swap in the later model 5spd Isuzu or the middle of the road 4spd known as the 3.65 which is also twice as strong as the 84 4spd trans.  If you plan to drive the car hard, I would really recommend getting the 3.65 4spd as it moves your top end to around 160 or so, however still keeps the car peppy in town, plus is nearly indestructible behind the duke.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Romeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 December 2010 at 7:38pm
160? David... I've gone over 200 with it... It's a fairly tall set-up.
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Not with 92 bhp that the duke has you havn't  or with an engine that has a yellow line on the tach at 4500 or 5000rpm with an engine redline only 500 rpms over that.  With the 4.10 the engine / car runs out of its power band with the 3.65 it can hold its power band a few hundred extra rpms.  The 84 duke has a hard time getting past 140 with any trans. However the 3.65 is its best bet, and close behind is the Isuzu 5spd.  In some respects the 5spd is better at keeping the motor in its comfort range during normal driving, however when it comes to 4spds, the 3.65 is the best bet.
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Originally posted by Dawg Dawg wrote:

Hi Keith,

There's so much you can do to that car you won't believe it.

How many miles on the car?

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Wow man, that's a lot of miles for a Duke.  It's very likely that your motor is worn out.  Check it out before spending any money on that motor.

As far as the chassis goes though, it's just getting warmed up....:)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Indy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2010 at 8:47pm

Keith

Now that I am a 4 month "expert" on 84 Fieros, here is what I suggest:

  • Ask capt fiero for his electronic library that contains the 84 GM shop manual, the Haynes Fiero manual, plus lots of other really good stuff. The shop manual is poorly indexed, the instructions are frequently poorly detailed, it a challenge to read, but it is complete. The Haynes manual is decently indexed and I now go there first.
  • Check for rust: see photos in my "Indy" thread. The one that is most frequently described is either side of the rear trunk and concealed under the trunk liner, at the top. Just fold it back and hope for the best. The rusting would have to be quite extensive for it to be structural. Both my indy and my 84 SE parts car had extensively rusted battery shelves and both of them had fist sized holes in the body immediately below that were quite obvious when I removed the plastic inner fenders (or whatever they are called). The top end of the front suspension is quite rusty on the SE but the rust is restricted to one bolt-on part.
  • Join Pennock's or at least visit it (you will do that frequently), since pretty much anything that you will encounter has already been sorted out by other Fiero owners. The search engine is very good. If you don't find what you are looking for in the active forum, go to archives. To find "forum" go down the left column to "fiero search" link. Your apparent headlight problem would be a good place to start. I had a headlight problem and I was able to quickly diagnose and fix the problem thanks to Pennock's.  
  • Buy a parts car if you can. 
  • Ask questions of the WCF club members.
  • Capt Fiero has lots of parts.
  • Look at the RPO "build sheet" in front truck left side to answer the earlier response about the original transaxle plus other not so obvious installed options. The "option code" is in the capt'ns electronic file and can by found on Google. 
  • Do a dry / wet compression check on your engine, since as dawg suggested, if it is orignial and not rebuilt, it has high mileage. I was never able to find the service limit in any of my Fiero manuals. I understand that as long as they are +/- 20 % at 100 psi or more, you will know that the cylinders and valves are OK. It does not mean that the bottom end is OK, however.

Cheers

Gary Hawthorn in North Vancouver @604-986-8199

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ksim19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 January 2011 at 2:52pm

Thanks for the info everyone!

Currently working on getting it running properly. When I picked this car up it wouldn't start, but I got that figured out. It just dies now unless i keep my foot on the gas. It was sitting for a while from what the previous owner says.

After I get it running propperly I'll start working on the suspension, brakes and steering. Not to worried about the motor though might get a swap in a year or two as the duke is not gonna get the power i want. I just wanna have some fun in it this summer so the motor is staying in it till all the suspension, brakes and what not get updated.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote beken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2011 at 12:36pm
One more thing.   If your 84 Fiero is not your only car and it is not your daily driver (you will not be driving to work or school with it), once you fix it up in factory stock condition and slap on a decent paint job (original colour only), your car could qualify for collector plates which should allow you to drive your car for about $300 a year.

However, once you swap in a motor that is other than the 4 cyl, it no longer qualifies.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ksim19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2011 at 2:48pm

Originally posted by beken beken wrote:

One more thing.   If your 84 Fiero is not your only car and it is not your daily driver (you will not be driving to work or school with it), once you fix it up in factory stock condition and slap on a decent paint job (original colour only), your car could qualify for collector plates which should allow you to drive your car for about $300 a year.

However, once you swap in a motor that is other than the 4 cyl, it no longer qualifies.

Thanks for that info but this is not my daily, got a 2010 accent for that job. This is my project car, things will get changed on it.

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