HELP!!.......?
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Topic: HELP!!.......?
Posted By: steve
Subject: HELP!!.......?
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:03pm
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k so as many of you know, i bought my first fiero yesterday. its turned in to a disaster i dont have a clue on what to do. the alarm it didnt have wasnt working so i took of the center console and saw a mess of cut wires this is what i found....
v part of the alarm system all ripped up i beleve? v
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:09pm
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sorry about this there bad pictures.... i just dont know where to start on this... its a mess well heres one of the alarm system for refrence
any help would be awesome!
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:14pm
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So what's the problem then? What's the "disaster" you're referring to? Doesn't the car run? |
steve wrote:
Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:18pm
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OK First question, what engine is in the car? as many of the plugs and the ECM are not stock. Not even close. As for the alarm, I can't help you without being there with a meter. You are going to have to find the detailed wiring info for that alarm and start tracing where which wires go. Heck you will also need to find out what options were installed with the alarm. ------------- Capt Fiero 88 Fiero GT 5spd V6 Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd. |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:19pm
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no.... it needs new spark plugs, im trying to take out the alarm system because it does not work., the other thing is that there are tonns of other wires cut. important or not i have no clue what any of them are... i guess you need to see it to know what needs to be done. but like seeing other pics of what should be under the steering column and under the console or anything like what can i rip out, it has no sound sytem at all it was broken in to and i dont need one thats on the bottom of my list to get done....... ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:22pm
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its got a cavilier z24 engine. and ill take a pic of the entire alarm system that i have taken out so far. hold on a sec. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:24pm
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The only you NEED to find out is if the "crank" wire Large purple wire in the harness has not been CUT for the alarm starter disable. Everything else that is hooked to the alarm can be removed. The large purple wire goes all the way from the large bulkhead connector between the seats, down the center coulomb, then snakes over to the clutch pedal. I believe the other side of the clutch pedal is yellow as it goes up to the steering coulomb. That single wire is the one that normally gets cut for a starter kill. If it has an ignition kill, you'll have to look it up. Again though, what engine is in there? Does it by chance have a 3.1 with Aluminum heads? ------------- Capt Fiero 88 Fiero GT 5spd V6 Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:25pm
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So you bought this Fiero without seeing it run? Whose diagnosis determined it just needs spark plugs to run properly, yours or the previous owner's?
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:26pm
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that and another sensor and a whole schwack of wires the alarm system is an alpine sec-150R ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:27pm
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his... i have seen it run tho way back in april before it got broken in to =/ ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:28pm
Must've hurt when you banged that toe nail. 
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:30pm
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ya its 3.1 ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:32pm
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I'd take "his" diagnosis with a grain of salt. Seeing all those cut wires and hearing that the car now doesn't run... not good.
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:32pm
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oh heh that was when i was skiing, my boots were done up to tight and i got "black toe" as some mountan climbers call it and no its just a bruse it didnt hurt that much at all, ok so the purple wire can NOT be cut right, it is fine. but the rest i can rip out... but the thing is i dont want to rip the rest out because theres a big knot and i dont know what else is in there.. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:34pm
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oh and it needs new struts... ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:47pm
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do you know the car capt? id post a pic for you.. hold on a sec k there we go:
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:55pm
There needs to be a law preventing 1600 x 1200 images from being posted in a thread. 
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 12:57pm
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sorry... ill try to crop them down next time ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:00pm
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Yeah, it makes reading the posts pretty difficult when it becomes necessary to scroll back and forth and back and forth from side to side to read every line of text.
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:03pm
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since you have seen the pics, i guess we can just wait till were on page 2... unless i could delete the pics and thenit would be normal but that defets the purpose of the questsion... ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:14pm
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No, don't bother deleting them. It has been my experience in many forums that posting images no wider than 800 pixels works best within the confines of a thread. I use http://www.irfanview.com/ - IrfanView to quickly resize my images. Works great.
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:25pm
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ok got it... so getting back to my problem. what should i do now then? continue to take the rest of the wires for the sound system and the alarm out? the car hada bunch of other sh*t in it too like hydrolics and neon underglow so i took those out. where could i find out a diagram of all the fieros stock wiring? ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:29pm
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Maybe http://fierowiki.com/site/index.php?page=downloads&type=misc&id=3&root=1&keep_theme=FieroWiki_com&keep_session=2116052414 - Here , not sure. Google is your friend. I know Fiero wiring diagrams are available for download somewhere. Heck, David has them on his server, I'm sure. |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:32pm
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ooh, thanks. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:35pm
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OK yes I have seen the car, the rear window decal is what gives it away. Now here is where it gets interesting, if the motor is not stock, the ECM is not stock, and if the builder didn't bother to remove the un-needed wiring, you may have dozens of wires that are not hooked up, because they are not needed. You need to post up an engine bay pic, so the tech people on here can find out what motor you actually have in the car to help you find out what wires are what. At one time it belonged to a bigger fella in Abbtosford. That was nearly 6 years ago, so it may have changed hands several times and I believe it had a stock V6 in it at that time, so the motor swap must have been done at a later date. ------------- Capt Fiero 88 Fiero GT 5spd V6 Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 1:36pm
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http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1193&PN=1 - Found it. |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 2:30pm
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ya I've heard that this car has gotten around. i know the 2 previous owners, Tyler and jeff. none with too much mechanical ability so i got alot to do on it, new e brake cable, new gas cable, new struts, new spark plugs and do some welding on of new metal where it has rusted out and then i can remove the hoses from the hydrolics and its set to be saftyed... im just trying to clean it up from all these wires. i like my stuff simple. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Dr.Fiero
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 5:03pm
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Oh. My. God. Sorry, but that's just a serious rats nest. I'd be inclined to try to remove every last little bit of aftermarket anything, then restore it back to original and work outwards from there. At least you know what you're up against then. If that was the best you could find in wpg there.... I think I know where I'll advertise my very close to all stock restored '86 GT! |
Posted By: Bobz0r
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 6:40pm
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If the engine is out of a Z24 (and is a V6) it is either the 2.8 (86-89) or 3.1 (90-94). Either of those engines would have the 7730 ECM, which is very close to the stock ECM in the Fiero. With only a little modification, the original wiring can be used. In fact, the stock plugs work if you just witch a few wires. I don't know why they would leave such a mess with so many cut wires. Dave is right, you need to clean it up and get to the basics and remove anything that isn't nessesary. I know a bit about J-Bodies and might be able to help if we knew for sure what motor it is with a few pics. |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 7:36pm
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John, whatever became of your http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1289&PN=1 - '88 Formula ?
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 8:49pm
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its a 3.1 and i am trying to semove everything that can be.. its jut the previous-previous owner put in a bunch of useless sh*t like a dvd player when it really could have used other stuff you know. ya trust me finding fieros for sale in winnipeg is insane... there all notch backs v4 auto. so i tryed to snap up the first one. it sold, then the second one that came up next was like 2 months later... and thats what i have now. some gts are selling for like 4000 here non saftied. no joke check kijiji, it says 4000 invested in "parts" and still needs paint so like a new transmission that he just put mark up on because he spent like 1000 on the transmission. theres also one for 800... well its a piece of sh*t (i saw it) its in woerse condition than mine and the 1000$ one i dont know about but its been there for a long time so there must be somthing wrong with it. my friend got his gt from regina... i just guess its a waiting game for a good one. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 8:50pm
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i need someone in winnipeg to come see it and take care of all that basic stuff that i find almost impossible for a first car. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 July 2009 at 9:37pm
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... or train a few million of Winnipeg's finest mosquitoes to pick it up and fly your Fiero out west to BC where we can all take a look at it. I have no further advice, but I just wanted to add how nice it is that I can now read this thread (page 2 anyway) without scrolling back and forth and back and forth from side to side to read it.
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Posted By: Dr.Fiero
Date Posted: 20 July 2009 at 6:46am
Totally off-topic here, but.... I still have it. If someone even wanted it WITH the turbo engine, I'll make 'em a hell of a deal. |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 20 July 2009 at 7:00am
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too late for me =/ ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: farmboy_k
Date Posted: 20 July 2009 at 10:46pm
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Send me a pm or email me at kdloewen at hotmail dot com and I can maybe get you in touch with a couple wpg fiero guys. or if your on heights forum you may already know them. Kent ------------- Kent from MB. Loewen's fiero farm:) |
Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 1:07pm
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ya feel free to come out and help anytime.. im in winnipeg but the cars at the farm out near lasalle like 20 mins south from where i live. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |
Posted By: farmboy_k
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 2:31pm
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My brother lives in La Salle so I know exactly where that is.
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Posted By: steve
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 3:35pm
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awesome, we live on the farm on the north side of the river, gravel road east from river ridge. just email me at mailto:stephenferguson@hotmail.co.uk - stephenferguson@hotmail.co.uk when ever you come in to the area next. altho i am on holidays so i'll be at my cabbin a bit. ------------- there are no gt s in winnipeg... |