Registered:)...this should be fun

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So, with the good vibes from the last autocross still resonating in our minds and bodies, is anyone else interested in this upcoming autocross put on by the Corvette club?

I notice in the thread that Brian has linked to that it's stated the number entrants will be limited to 50. That's great. I wonder if this is something the Porsche club may wish to look into doing with their future events.

At last Sunday's autocross there were at least 70 entrants. (Last month there were 40.) Keeping in mind that the event is scheduled to wrap up at 4:30 pm whether there are 30 entrants or 100, the number of entrants signed up makes quite a difference with how many runs through the course each driver gets to enjoy.

Obviously as a newb driver, I want to go through the course as many times as possible at each event. Five times last Sunday just wasn't enough!

I have a spot confirmed, and PCA will be looking at options as this was crazy yesterday.  I am in the VCMC this Sunday, and UBC the one later, so if anyone is interested to visit you are welcome, this is more competitive of course, not as social and fun as PCA but always fun

If anyone does want to go, email and reserve a spot...

Bassman wrote: ...so if anyone is interested to visit you are welcome, this is more competitive of course, not as social and fun as PCA but always fun

Brian, just to clarify, are you saying the autocross put on by the Corvette club is more "competitive" than the one we were just at put on by the Porsche club?

If so, would I (as a newb driving a 4-banger Fiero) not really be encouraged by this group to participate?

No, the VCMC this Sunday is very competitive, even though it's the Novice series, all the "usual suspects" that we have problems with are there...the UBC is competitive but real easy going group.

The BC Corvette club I have not been too, but speaking with Gary yesterday he says they are just like PCA but don't take chit like poor Rich did...I'll be the pitt bull:)

Bassman wrote: The BC Corvette club I have not been too, but speaking with Gary yesterday he says they are just like PCA but don't take chit like poor Rich did...I'll be the pitt bull:)

So the Corvette guys aren't going to laugh at some newb driving a 4-banger Fiero then? 

Ummm... is that your way of breaking it to me gently that the Corvette guys would laugh at some newb driving a 4-banger Fiero?

Romeo wrote: Count me in!

Woo hoo, Tristan has the fever!

Car-2-Lo wrote: I wanna race too where do I buy a racing helmet

Atta boy Johnny !!!

http://www.driversedgeautosport.com/helmet.htm - Driver's Edge Autosport on Boundary certainly carries helmets. Brian or Colby or Austin might know some other options.

Cheese wrote: Hmm... the Corvette club would probably design a more open course, don't you think? Not very good for my car, but it could still be a lot of fun. Think I should go?

Of course!!!

Come on Colby, let's both of us go kick some Corvette butt!

DUKE POWER FOR THE WIN !!!

Maybe Brian can post the specifics on helmets.  Do they really check or how strict are they on the specific helmet that you have.  I know for Mission 1/4 mile racing, basically any helmet legal for a motorcycle is fine for racing, and that is much higher speed than an autocross.   

When I went to the drivers edge site, the 1st helmet I looked at was $695 and I about fainted at the keyboard.  I am sure they have some more reasonable priced helmets, but what are the requirements?

I found some helmets being sold locally for as low as $159 http://www.pdm-racing.com/bell/helmets.html - Here .

I know NOTHING about helmets. Before any of us newbs rush out and buy one, hopefully one of the experienced autocross guys will chime in here and advise us.

I might mention that the Porsche club has free "loaner" helmets (four of them I believe) available for use at their events, but to be totally honest, the greatest cause of stress for me on Sunday was locating a loaner helmet prior to my runs. Other guys would grab them way too early (long before they actually needed them), or they would "forget" to put them back after their runs. There were a couple times where I was just three cars away from my run (and each run is about a minute) and I was still searching for a helmet. That was no fun.

Romeo wrote: I've seen a few for $50 on craigslist, I just need to figure out how big my head is (Patrick, if you say something, so help me I will hit you).

I was going to say something about the size of BC Place Stadium, but I won't bother now.

Patrick wrote: Romeo wrote: I've seen a few for $50 on craigslist, I just need to figure out how big my head is (Patrick, if you say something, so help me I will hit you). I was going to say something about the size of BC Place Stadium, but I won't bother now.

Kidding, I'm a pacifist.

Romeo wrote: Patrick wrote: Romeo wrote: I've seen a few for $50 on craigslist, I just need to figure out how big my head is (Patrick, if you say something, so help me I will hit you). I was going to say something about the size of BC Place Stadium, but I won't bother now. Just wait, you're going to be putting on a helmet next race, getting ready for your next run and WHAM, going to get a fist full of karma. LOL Kidding, I'm a pacifist.

If I see you packing a lacrosse stick at the next meeting, I'll not be turning my back on you.

Cheese wrote: I've never seen anyone check the helmets so even if there are rules for them they may not be enforced.

Do you think they'd notice if I wore my hockey helmet?

I wore it while snowboarding a couple winters ago and got some funny looks!

Oh, I'm sure they've seen even stranger helmets!

Romeo wrote: I don't think you remember how much of a nincompoop I am.

How could I forget?

VCMC & UBC when they do tech check, check the helmet to ensure the rating is correct

Bassman wrote: VCMC & UBC when they do tech check, check the helmet to ensure the rating is correct

Brian, can you remind us again what the ratings are supposed to be? (Or where can we find them?)

Cheese wrote: I found it: http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rules/2010_scca_solo_rules.pdf - The 2010 SCCA Solo Rulebook (Look in section 4.3.1)

Thanks Colby. This may or may not be a dumb question, but are these necessarily the rules that the local clubs use and (supposedly) enforce? In other words, are the local autocross/car clubs required to follow these rules?

Cheese wrote: Patrick wrote: Cheese wrote: I found it: http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rules/2010_scca_solo_rules.pdf - The 2010 SCCA Solo Rulebook (Look in section 4.3.1) Thanks Colby. This may or may not be a dumb question, but are these necessarily the rules that the local clubs use and (supposedly) enforce? In other words, are the local autocross/car clubs required to follow these rules? I don't know about required... Brian would be able to answer this question a bit better. I do know PCA doesn't follow them so much, they're much more casual about it all. I think UBC and VCMC follow them more closely, I know they at least do the classing of the cars.

Minimal is a M class helmet (motorcycle) for auto cross, PCA is unique, but all the other clubs enforce.  The choice is whether you will do a track day, if so you need then the SA2000 or SA2005 helmet which you can buy locally at Drivers Edge or PDM

Romeo wrote: Will a Full-face Motorbike helmet be legal?

Yes

Bassman wrote: Romeo wrote: Will a Full-face Motorbike helmet be legal? Yes

Jet black with chrome flames, here I come.

Romeo wrote: Bassman wrote: Romeo wrote: Will a Full-face Motorbike helmet be legal? Yes Gnarley. Jet black with chrome flames, here I come.

On the back or inside you should have M2010, M2005,
M2000, or M95, if so you are good

You have seen all the helmets out there...can do whatever you want, just ensure the labels are viewable.

If you plan to go, you need to email and advise, this is not like the PCA, they have a cap at 50 people.

I'm waiting to hear back from one of our club members as his response will determine which Fiero I'll be registering and racing.

Again...need to email and advise them you plan to attend, here is the details from the PCA web site, I already confirmed Fiero attendance, they have a soft spot for us:

The BC Corvette Club would like to invite the Porsche Club members to our Autocross event on Saturday, Sept 25 at the BC Driving Centre in Pitt Meadows. Please pre register with Vic Nightscales via email at mailto:vnightscales@netscape.net - vnightscales@netscape.net or phone 778-593-1180. We have just purchased new timing equipment to ensure a smooth event, and will be able to provide lots of runs. We will restrict the total number of entrants to 50 and the price payable on Saturday morning will be $40 per driver. Vic

Brian, when you pre-registered, did you have to state what you were driving (as in model and year)?

As I said earlier, I don't know which Fiero I'll be driving quite yet.

Okay, I sent off an email to Vic a couple of minutes ago to pre-register. I just didn't say what I would be driving exactly, other than it would be a Fiero.

[EDIT] Actually, I didn't even say I'd be driving a Fiero. I just said I was member of West Coast Fieros of BC. Maybe I should enter and drive my '94 Hyundai Elantra with the fart can exhaust.

Bassman wrote: All he cares about is having an idea who and how many...

So far there's three of us from the club pre-registered. Who's next?

Bassman wrote: he only wants 50 drivers...

Right on!

Might be a surprise announcement coming up. Stay tuned!

Is this club happening or is this club happening!

We've got the old guys and the young guns and everyone in between stepping up to the plate.

Johnny, love the 'chute!

Bassman wrote: OMG, I am so happy

If the Bassman is happy, we're all happy.

Bassman wrote: it has only taken a few years to spark a few of you...

It has only taken me a few years to have a driveable Fiero!

OMG with how my day is going currently...I SO need a drink!!!...lol

I was looking at the Corvette clubs site, they have their meetings at the Burnaby Rugby Club, nice place...they don't have forums, but looking at the pictures of June's autox, lots of nice Vettes and no other cars...this maybe nice NOT to see any Imports!...lol

David...forget the V8, use you '88, if we can have all the different cars out who have already commited, your '88 will be more than fine...get the V8 out of your head and come out and play

Car-2-Lo wrote: RAM-BUNK-SHUSH has pre-registered and ready...

Johnny Boy...Really happy you are coming out...let me know if there is anything I or anyone can help with. 

If I may, not everyone has to buy a helmet, if you do HJC motorcycle helemets are fine for a bike shop, just make sure the codes as we have listed are good, and a open face you can get for around $75.

Or...share the purchase, or borrow from someone:)

Romeo wrote: Patrick wrote: I'm waiting to hear back from one of our club members as his response will determine which Fiero I'll be registering and racing. Who might that be?

If Colby wasn't going to participate in this particular autocross, I was going to drive my GT so that I'd have the extra ponies to shut you down.  

However, Colby is coming out (which is what I was hoping he'd decide), so together we're going to do our best to demonstrate what the mighty duke can do against those nasty Vettes. Obviously we're hoping for a tight course!

Bassman wrote: David...forget the V8, use you '88, if we can have all the different cars out who have already commited, your '88 will be more than fine...get the V8 out of your head and come out and play.

Agree 100%

Come on Dave, you know you want to do it! Don't miss out on all the fun!

And that applies to everyone else in the club as well.

Join our heroic Fiero Force, battling against the evil Corvette empire!

Bassman wrote: If I may, not everyone has to buy a helmet...

Brian, for those coming out for the first time who might be concerned about having to buy or borrow a helmet, do you know offhand whether the Corvette club will have free loaner helmets available at their autocross event the same as the Porsche club did?

I'd just hate to see anyone not come out and try this for the first time simply because they're worried about the helmet requirement issue.

And in regards to the "danger" of autocrossing (for anyone who's never been to a track and is wondering)...

If the truth be known, there's actually far less chance of needing a helmet while driving on an autocross track than there is on a public road! I'm not kidding. 

Seriously, I sometimes wonder what the actual point is of requiring a helmet while autocrossing? The worse that can happen out there is that you're going to slide and knock over a small plastic pylon!

Let's discuss this tomorrow about who needs assistance and helmets.

I really don't know if the Corvette guys have loaners, I doubt it...Kerstin actually will be out now knowing the Fiero force, but also to support John, she was so happy to know he was coming out...she has a soft spot for you I think:).

I will email Gary and ask so we know...otherwise we can split up our group and share...we also have time and again, call arond the bike shops, this is the time of year where they may have some sales.

The helmets are required because it's competition timed sessions, if this was training it would be different...there are still obsticles like the fence and other peeps:)...lol, and we all have to follow the SCAA rules.

Bassman wrote: ...and we all have to follow the SCAA rules.

Oh, I know. I'm not suggesting we all be rebels and toss our helmets out the window once we start the course.

Bassman wrote: Kerstin actually will be out now knowing the Fiero force, but also to support John, she was so happy to know he was coming out...she has a soft spot for you I think:).

I think she's intrigued by Johnny's comment.

Car-2-Lo wrote: "It doesn't have to perform, it just has to look good"

I had Vic reply from the BCCC and he has 5 of us registered and likes the enthusiasm and welcomes all levels of ability...pretty cool, I replied asking about loaner helmets and will advise.

Bassman wrote: I replied asking about loaner helmets and will advise.

Heh heh, out of curiosity I asked Vic as well when I got my response from him. He's going to peg us as a bunch of "keeners".

[EDIT] Just found out from Vic that the Corvette club does not have loaner helmets. We'll all have to plan accordingly.

Well, I've been talking to a couple guys with cheap helmets (See: Craigslist). There's one I really want for myself, but if someone wants, there's one for $20 and one for $40 which I can pick-up for anyone who wants (Although I wouldn't argue with a toonie or so for gas, as neither is in New West). They're ALL full face. The $40 is a nifty red/white/black tribal look, and the $20 is straight black with a tinted and non-tinted visor.

Let me know if want one of the others.

No Loaners...won't be an issue, as Vic said, "Show without, there's always a loaner"...

Bassman wrote: Romeo wrote: Will a Full-face Motorbike helmet be legal? On the back or inside you should have M2010, M2005, M2000, or M95, if so you are good.

Sorry for being so slow on the draw with this, but I take it then that DOT motorcycle helmets (with no "M" rating) are therefore not acceptable for autocross? 

Here's an entertaining video on getting the right size helmet...

Jay Leno's Garage - http://www.mvaf.org/Helmet+Fit/default.aspx - Getting The Right Fit

Here is my helmet...when I bought, I asked myself if I would do track days, if so, this the minimum at $150 investment, if I would to consider spending more than $80, I bought SA model.

http://www.pdm-racing.com/bell/helmets.html#pyrotect - http://www.pdm-racing.com/bell/helmets.html#pyrotect

I seriously hope it rains. Gretchin is like a child jumping in puddles when it rains. You don't control her, she controls you.

Like tomorrow with UBC, rain or shine...I did not go to VCMC where I already paid $35 registration and $50 membership...expensive day to sit at home.

For tomorrow, if I wake up and as it's saying 20mm of rain...if it's like this morning, I will enjoy some frersh java and stay home, and I paid $40 for this one.

For next week the concern I have is that we have not paid as they have an honor system...which means not too many will show, so LOTS more runs for us, or it gets so bad the afternoon is called off early, but this is by vote of all drivers.  So I would like to commit to this one for all of us, bring my canopy for the pitt where we can have shelter, if someone else has one great.  Then bring some shairs and bundle up. 

Yipee...this will be fun then, UBC just posted "Slush Series" dates, pretty much autox in winter, so this will be a fun test or prep:).

At work...chat later:)...Very happy you will be joining us David, this is turning out to be a club event

Capt Fiero wrote: I emailed Vic early this week and confirmed a spot. I'll be in the Yellow 88.

Atta boy Dave!

This will be great fun, come rain or shine, with our growing fleet of Fieros out there chasing down those evil Vettes!

Hmmm... the tires on my GT have been siped. I wonder if I should swap wheels/tires and put those on my '84 autocross machine if it looks like wet weather next Saturday?

I'd obviously prefer it to be dry out at the track, but if it's not, be prepared for Colby and I to surprise a few people with our mighty dukes.

Cheese wrote: ...our slow acceleration...

Hey hey, I prefer to think of it as moderate acceleration.

Maybe we should have custom made stickers we can put on our cars next Saturday that say...

Fieros rule, Corvettes drool

Just kidding, just kidding. For any Corvette club members who might possibly see this post, I've always liked Corvettes.

Here's a nice '67 Stingray I'd love to have. It makes me drool.

Other than a GT3, mine is the '68

Message from my buddy as he just regustered also (Allan, aka Colby's uncle) "ACK! Fieros are breeding like bunnies. :)"

That's funny...lol

LOL

We're taking over the joint. And Gen III 'Vette all the way, baby.

Let's hope the latest weather forecast for Pitt Meadows this Saturday is close to the mark...

Ok all,

We have registered to go: Patrick, Tristan, Johnny Boy, David, Colby and myslef from our club...and Allan, Gary and I think Colby's brother.

Weather will hold...I will bring my canopy, David said he will bring his...suggestion is to get your cars ready Friday night, EMPTY it out and only take what you need.  Suggestion also is a cooler and pack beverages & food for the budget wise

Meeting at MacDonalds on Lougheed & Harris Road at 7:30am, leave by 7:45am and drive together, park together...need to get there earlier than normal so we can attempt to find a good spot for the canopies.

How's all that for everyone...ask if you have any questions...Cheers

I just want to add that it's NOT too late to pre-register for anyone else who wishes to partake in the fun.

Contact information is posted http://forum.pca-cwr.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3242&sid=265f5576f1603e6779896a1a923ee0ac&p=23681#p23681 - Here for anyone else who'd like to be a part of the action.

See Brian showing off his years of autocross driving experience.

See David putting his street-racing skills to work on the track.

See Tristan slipping and sliding.

See Colby and I demonstrating the power of the mighty duke.

See Johnny Boy... looking good.

You don't want to miss out. You want be there. And if you're going to be there, you may as well be on the track!

Click right http://forum.pca-cwr.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3242&sid=265f5576f1603e6779896a1a923ee0ac&p=23681#p23681 - Here to get involved.

Romeo wrote: Ah, you are taking the Duke, eh Patty? Prepare to get spanked... Again.

"Spanked" he says! The times are posted http://members.shaw.ca/rsandor4/Sept%205th%202010%20autox.htm - Here .

Tristan, your best time beat my best time by 1.466 seconds on that course which took about a minute to run. And let's be honest, that layout favored higher horsepower/faster cars.

I'd hardly say you "spanked" my duke (or Colby's) with your V6.

We'll see how the dukes do this weekend, especially now that Colby has helped get the wheels on my duke powered '84 all pointed in the same direction and leaning the correct way.

Well Brian I am still trying to decide run my street tires that are almost to the wear bars, or swap on my winter tires that are almost new and have a ton more grip in the rain.  However they are also only a 195/70/14 so if the weather does turn dry they are going to suck as they roll on the rims and don't have the extra width of the 215's. Plus a narrower offset.   I will be there with the 88GT, I will have to borrow a helmet from someone for the runs though. 

Patrick and or Brian, if you really want to push this event, I would seriously recommend posting to the mailing list with as many details as you can pick out of this thread.  

P.S. Brian, this being a different group, is the no smoking ban still going to be a problem.  If I don't get to have a cigarette at least once an hour, I tend to get really bitchy. I am sure you can remember from the days you smoked.

If there's a chance for rain...winter tires

Think we are pretty good as a group:)...we'll find ya a helmet

Unfortunatly Yes David...not sure if to the road, just ask:)

Romeo wrote: Now's the time to quit, David.

The cigs, not the autocross!

Capt Fiero wrote: Patrick and or Brian, if you really want to push this event, I would seriously recommend posting to the mailing list with as many details as you can pick out of this thread.

I'm on it!

Romeo wrote: Nows the time to quit, David.

LOL, I have been thinking about it.

Patrick wrote: Romeo wrote: Nows the time to quit, David. The cigs, not the Autocross!

      Well see how well my 88 does and see if I get hooked enough to run it again, or if I choose to do what I had planned and wait until my 857 is runnable and just use that.  The V8 car is frankly setup better than the 88.