Porsche Club AutoX - Saturday, May 31st
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Topic: Porsche Club AutoX - Saturday, May 31st
Posted By: Patrick
Subject: Porsche Club AutoX - Saturday, May 31st
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 2:07pm
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PORSCHE CLUB CANADA WEST REGION - Saturday May 31st 2014 Double Pad Autocross Signup closes May 15th at noon, after which a late fee applies. When: Sat, 31-May-2014 Where: Ford Road & McTavish Road, Pitt Meadows, BC First timers and spectators are welcome to attend If you are co-driving, please indicate (in the 'notes' field) which car you will be driving and who your co-driver is! EVERYONE MUST READ THE FOLLOWING: - All drivers and spectators must sign the PCA liability waiver in order to enter the venue. No exceptions. - All "drivers" under 18 years of age must be accompanied by a parent. - Pre-registration via Karelo is mandatory. There will be absolutely no refunds for this event. Credit towards a future event may be given only in the event of medical or family emergencies, and only if notice is given within 24hours, at the discretion of the event chairperson. - Pre-registration on Karelo is the only way to sign up for this event. Those showing up with cash on the morning of the event will be turned away. - For current Porsche Club members: Cost is $50+GST per driver. ($52.50) - For all non-PCA members: Cost is $60+GST per driver. ($63.00) - Late Registration AFTER May 15th will be $65+GST for ALL drivers ($68.25) First timers: Please note: You do not need to be a Porsche Club member or own a Porsche to participate. We welcome everyone to join us! Friends and family are welcome to come and spectate as well: there is no need to sign-up if you just want to watch, however EVERYONE that is on-site MUST read and sign the liability waivers. Helmets are required: If you have your own helmet, it must be snell rated M or SA and 2000 or newer. Helmets older than my2000 or damaged helmets will not be permitted to be used. If you need to borrow a helmet, we will have nice NEW rental helmets on site for $10 for the day. Please bring exactly $10 cash as we will not have change handy. If you forget to bring cash, you may use one of our older "shared" loaner helmets for free. Please make sure your vehicle is free of all loose objects, including your trunk compartment, and that your battery is firmly bolted down in place. Any vehicles found to be mechanically unsafe will not be allowed to run, and no refund will be given. Please contact me if you are unsure about the condition of your vehicle. Please refer to our website http://www.pca-cwr.org/eventsactivities/autocross/ - HERE for more information. Register http://www.karelo.com/register.php?BID=374&BT=10&Ev=14266 - HERE .
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 5:46pm
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This is a double-pad event. Will the rookie Glenn come out again to prove his surprising performance at the BCCC event wasn't a fluke? Will young-dad Harrison get another day away from the baby? Will the mysterious Charles come up from Bellingham? Will old man Brian come out of retirement for this event? Will "lean way over and reach for the radio while autocrossing" Gary make Brian wished he stayed home? Will lead-foot Colby get his car back together in time, and not break anything for a few days? Will the boy wonder Tristan ever get Gretchin running again? Answers to these and many other questions may (or may not) be answered on Saturday, May 31st. Come out and witness the intensity of hot Fiero on Fiero action... with a Porsche 914/6 thrown in for good measure. To save a few bucks, remember to register before the end of this Thursday, the 15th.
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The potential is there for some fast stretches with all that room.Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 6:57pm
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Hey, new battery and she fired up nice. I have insurance now it's picking it up from storage. I will look as I will be out this year and so wanting to run this double pad!!!:)
Chat soon ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 8:15pm
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I'll sign up. I can probably get my car back together by then.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 10:30pm
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Brian, have you never run on the double pad? Oooo, you're in for a treat.
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Bassman wrote:Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 10:32pm
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What's your backup plan?
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 10:45pm
I'll co-drive with someone. ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 11:00pm
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Ok. I am registered. I have been working my cars steering hard, as i
drive to work with the car (on a sunny day here and there) to build arm strength for that hard steering. I have an ace up my sleeve this year with a modified OMP racing seat, so no radio changes for me. 
...been also tweaking the new fuel injection for that extra bit. I am really hoping for some decent weather. Gary |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 11:08pm
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Anyone in particular?
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 11:22pm
I'm sure someone will be nice enough to share.  ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 11:51pm
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I'm willing to share with someone who's nice enough to help me tweak this suspension.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 13 May 2014 at 9:48pm
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Thread at the Porsche Club forum about this autocross is http://www.pca-cwr.org/forums/official-pca-events-and-issues/2014-autocross-1-saturday-may-31st-sign-up-here/ - HERE .
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 9:41am
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Just a reminder that registration officially ends at 11 PM tonight (according to http://www.karelo.com/register.php?BID=374&BT=10&Ev=14266 - Karelo ), with a late fee applying afterwards. Double pad... vroom vroom!
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Posted By: beken
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 10:29am
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I may show up to watch and be a spectator. I'm okay with
signing the waver but not until I get there. Deadline is today. -------------  Beken (aka Ken) - bekentech@westcoastfieros.com Original and still the owner of an 85SE 2M6 4spd |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 15 May 2014 at 10:56am
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Please shoot some video! We love to see (and hear) our cars racing around the course from a spectator's perspective.
The liability waiver is standard practice at functions such as this, and yes, you just sign the waiver once you're at the track. It allows you to not only be on site, but also to be able to go along for rides as a passenger. |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 18 May 2014 at 10:40pm
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my brother is co-driving my car. planning (hoping) for good weather. i am soo excited!  |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 10:17am
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It'll be great to see Allan at the track again.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 24 May 2014 at 2:16pm
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I installed lowering springs this week as well as stiffer shocks and struts. Obviously feels a whole lot different! The front of the Formula has dropped at least two inches from factory height. Really looking forward to this event.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 26 May 2014 at 11:11pm
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Brian, are you coming out this Saturday? It would be great to see you at the track again. You're going to be rusty!
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 5:31am
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And it looks like a perfect day for autocross. I was at the track late yesterday afternoon. Rich's car is off the road, so my Formula was the "mule" to test the layout. All I can say is that the course is... fast. There might be a need for 3rd gear in one stretch! So fasten your seat belts, we're gonna be moving today! |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 7:22am
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Look out Pat... I am a comin a git ye...
Looking forward to the catering... I encourage all to drop by and check us out. It is free to watch (you may be able to get a ride). It is fun! :-) Gary |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 5:27pm
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Great day for autocross. The car performed flawlessly. There will be an announcement forthcoming from Colby shortly.
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Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 8:24pm
| Colby stepped out for a bit. I am having an issue uploading an image... i will try to link to it https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38619635/20140531_192347.jpg - HERE |
Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 9:13pm
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ok.. did some fiddling with my videos. the crappy camera put out some baaad quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_GHMAJYLew&list=UUFs8mR0LUlnko9LsVz5D5TQ - HERE is that one. It is one of Al's decent runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Y6345LPu0&list=UUFs8mR0LUlnko9LsVz5D5TQ&index=2 - Here is my first run.. i went for a swim... (from the phone's point of view that can be seen in the first video). Then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N42CDfFxYQE&index=4&list=UUFs8mR0LUlnko9LsVz5D5TQ - Al's First run and that is followed by a good clean run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fisK87Jzdx8&index=3&list=UUFs8mR0LUlnko9LsVz5D5TQ - Here that Al did. My run looked similar.. but a bit slower...  Great day, great weather. Wanted to see more Fieros out. Some of the gang there showed some real enthusiasm toward the Fiero.  It did well and looked great out there! Gary |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 9:42pm
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I'll go check out your videos. I want to see the tsunami. |
Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 12:11am
Hmm, I can do a little better: And a picture of the times is http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/colbyj/times.jpg~original - here . ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 12:37am
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That appeared to be the theme of the day.
I'm actually surprised how fast most of those times are, especially considering the number of new drivers participating.
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Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 1:07am
I ended up having a short nap when I got home. After that day, and beating Patrick in his own car, I think I earned it.  It was a good event, and not just because I annihilated Patrick's best time. The course was fun, the car worked well, and the weather was just right. Every run I was able to figure out a few places to improve and by the end I was driving it pretty quick. Patrick's car handled really well, and it may even inspire me to make a few changes to my own car. I took a couple of pictures:   I took videos of all my runs, except for my quickest.  I did still get some pretty interesting videos. I think my favorite is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Ba9UJv8yI&feature=youtu.be - this comparison between my 6th run and my 8th (run 7 was my quickest). My 8th run was looking like it might have been even quicker, but I messed up near the end. You can see, though, how much time I manage to shave off in one section.Videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVDBs2jCbI - Run 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-YPsB8Hs0&list=UUyfD9N_S_V443QVHz96EK6g - Run 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc1tQDybOo&list=UUyfD9N_S_V443QVHz96EK6g - Run 8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Ba9UJv8yI&list=UUyfD9N_S_V443QVHz96EK6g - Run 6 v. 8 ------------- 88 Formula 5 speed |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 2:35am
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Heh heh... I don't think beating me by 5/10ths of a second is "annihilating" me, but enjoy the moment Colby. Payback will be sweet. I re-did Gary's video as his upload had some audio issues. I love hearing Al's laugh as him and Gary take the plunge. Presenting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvB4vJRBNU - Gary and the Puddle
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Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 8:36am
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Great job Patrick! that is better. Sorry for the camera placement. i needed to have it out of the way and low enough to be press against the dash to minimize vibration. i love the laugh. it demonstrates the fun atmosphere that we had. Luckily i was not the only one to hit that puddle |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 6:44pm
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Colby brought his new camera to record video while he and I were co-driving my car. I had a helluva time trying to turn the thing on (damn tiny recessed buttons!), but manged to get one run recorded before the camera battery packed it in for the day. This wasn't my fastest run, but I didn't kill any cones either. And I didn't go for a dip in the lake. My run... PCA-CWR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L31Km9tiSw - autocross - May 31, 2014 I can imagine Al watching this and cringing. I'm not the smoothest driver out there. |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 9:21pm
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Fantastic event! I loved the course because it was an
excellent car control course that tested both the driver and the car. A little tire pressure tweaking over a few runs helped to reduce the oversteering tendency of the 914. It sure will be nice to replace those rock hard, 7- yr old tires on it. I'll need to do some more 60-ft drifts first.  Gary, did that run get recorded?
Colby drove Patrick's car EXCELLENTLY! Colby asked me to ride with him right after lunch and I could only offer a couple suggestions because he was doing an excellent job. ...and it showed. I do believe, and Colby can correct me if I'm wrong, but Colby, didn't you ANNIHILATE Patrick's time?
Sorry Patrick.
In all fairness though, Colby did drive very well. The part just before the lake, Colby drove that way better than I did. He nailed it. Through the little box, got the car rotated and flew through the gate. It was awesome!
Patrick, about your video.....yes, I was cringing. 
Just kidding. But yes, you could definitely smooth things out. You were also very late on the slalom. On the gas a bit late in the sweeper after the slalom (needs slight line correction). The high speed sweeping turn from the paddock heading out to the lake could have been a bit smoother and faster. From the lake, around the sweeper and back through the spaghetti could have been smoother, and therefore faster too. Many times, in linked turns such as the spaghetti, you want to move the steering wheel as little as possible. When you combine this with going as fast as the tires will allow, you will have a fast time. Contrast that to a sharper turn and the "speed limit" of that turn you just did will be slower than a shallower turn where you don't turn the steering wheel as much. So when you turn the wheel less, you will have a higher "speed limit" for that turn and will therefore have a higher exit speed onto the little straight between turns. That's why looking ahead is so important - it's key to seeing the gentle arc you must form by turning earlier so you can do that section at a higher speed. fwiw, my best time of 54.2 was done by two key things: First, I finally did the end sweeper after the slalom properly so I had a high exit speed out of the sweeper. This was plainly obvious when I nailed the rev limiter (bap, bap, bap) for the first time on the following straight. Taking advantage of the higher speed on a bit of a gamble, I delayed braking a touch and trailbraked into the long right hand turn to carry as much speed as possible. The car slid a bit but I managed to stay on top of it and carried that extra speed through the sweeping right turn. The run after wasn't quite as elegant, hence the 60 foot drift.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 01 June 2014 at 10:43pm
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Ah, you Johanson's are all the same... Trouble-makers, every one of you!
I always wish these events were a couple hours longer. Just when I feel like I'm starting to make some progress... it's time to wrap up and go home. Each of my four runs in the afternoon improved on the previous runs, with my last run of 57.8 also being my fastest. One more blast around the track and I would've spanked your nephew. Fortunately I can swallow my pride about Colby "annihilating" me and take solace in the fact that the car is running and handling so well. It's a far cry from the pine needle covered non-functional Fiero which had been sitting in the forest on Whidbey Island for two or three years. Of course, Gary and Colby have both helped to resurrect it, so I can be a bit more forgiving with this Johanson abuse at autocross. And Allan, thanks for the driving tips in your post. It all makes perfect sense. It's just a matter of putting it into effect while sitting behind the wheel. It'll eventually come together. |
Just kidding. But yes, you could definitely smooth things out.
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:19pm
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No problem, Patrick. For me, and I suspect others, even
if I read 15 books on the subject and had private coaching for a season, sometimes the things I've mentioned above take a while to sink in. I don't know what it is, but for me, it just takes time for the academic knowledge of driving to get to my hands and feet. Once it does, it really sticks though. I proved I can't drive perfectly when I want, but I know what I'm trying to achieve. It can be frustrating at times, but when it works the way I want and I actually DRIVE the way I'd like, it's awesome. Wish it happened more often.
All of you should be commended on getting your car running so well. You guys did a great job. Colby
was very impressed with how it drove and now he's thinking about tweaking his car. Watch out!
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Posted By: Bassman
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 9:56pm
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SO JELOUS!!!...need to look up dates ------------- Brian (Bassman) 86 GT Fastback 3.2L 2013 Mazda3 Sport GS SkyActive [IMG]http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u243/Bassman68/BassmanSignature.png"> |
Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 11:20pm
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What I really enjoy about autocrossing (in addition to flying around the track) is that although we're all very competitive, we're also keen on helping each other out. No one is trying to be a big shot. We're all improving, we're all having fun. And that's what it's all about.
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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 11:23pm
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Hey bud, we missed you on Saturday! Here you go - http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?FID=27&TID=3423&PN=1&get=last - 2014 Autocross Dates Make sure to sign up for the next one - http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?FID=27&TID=3478&PN=1&get=last - Corvette Club Autocross - Saturday, June 14th |
Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 12:21pm
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Slack Master B! ...needs to stop slacking.
I'll be in Oregon for several days just before the 14th autocross so I won't be able to make it. Wifey wants to spend time with me. Silly girl.
I dropped by Gary's work this morning to talk further about something he said to me the day before about his driving experience with the 914. Upon further reflection, he was probably over-slowing his car coming into a turn and then getting on the gas mid-turn. This caused an understeer condition. Contrast that to my style with his car and I'll brake later and trailbrake into the turn, causing a mild oversteer condition. To solve that I need to apply more gas to get the weight transfer to the rear to get more grip. All the while trying to balance the car through the turn. In the morning of the event when talking to Gary, he said he was suffering from the same oversteer condition I was, so we were playing with the tire pressures to give the rear more grip. Thinking about it now, that communication breakdown and resulting tire pressure fiddling would have helped me but hurt Gary given his conservative driving style. Oops!
Hopefully the course on the 14th is more open than the usual JIBC course. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you guys!
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