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Topic: Corvette Club autocross - Sat, Aug 9th
Posted By: Patrick
Subject: Corvette Club autocross - Sat, Aug 9th
Date Posted: 28 July 2014 at 10:58pm

British Columbia Corvette Club Autocross

Saturday, August 9, 2014

JIBC/YPK Integrated Training Centre, Pitt Meadows, BC

Registration ends on August 8, 2014 12:00 PM PDT

Come join us for the 3rd event in the BCCC Autocross 2014 Series. This will be another full double pad event, so the course is sure to be fast and fun. To maximize the number of runs we will be limiting registration to 60 drivers and will run three groups for non-stop action.

First timers are welcomed, no previous motorsports experience required. All car makes are welcome as long as they meet the requirements of the CACC/SCCA, Autoslalom/Solo2.

Early registration fee: $50 (by July 31st) *

Regular registration fee: $60 (after July 31st)

Non-members can purchase a day membership for $10

Food & Beverages:

TraxSnax will be on site with an assortment of sandwiches, hot food and beverages available in the tent. So no need to pack a lunch, just bring some cash.

Click to register http://www.motorsportreg.com/events/bccc-autocross-series-3-jibc-ypk-integrated-training-centre-british-377311 - HERE .

 




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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 29 July 2014 at 12:25pm

Originally posted by BCCC BCCC wrote:

We just wanted to remind all of you that the early registration discount ends at midnight on Thursday. So if you plan to attend the event you can save $10 by registering now. Currently we have 24 drivers registered, so we are well on the way to filling the event.  Remember the event is capped at 60 drivers so don’t wait too long to register.
 
We have simplified the registration form and you do not need any discount codes to get the early bird price. Just complete your registration by July 31 and you will receive a $10 discount from the registration fee. If you are not a current member of the BC Corvette Club, you will have to pay $10, for a day membership.
 
See you on August 9th!
 
Giff Robb & Lorne Staley
Co-Chairs BCCC Autocross Committee

 



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 30 July 2014 at 11:27pm

I am registered. Lots of autocross this month!

 



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 06 August 2014 at 12:11pm

I get the sneaking suspicion that I'll be the only representative from WCFofBC attending the BCCC autocross this Saturday. Colby will be packing his bags for his soon-to-begin oddessy in Saskatoon, Gary will be on the Island, Harrison is unavailable, Brian will (probably) be working...

Oh well, the autocross itself will still be fun for me, but I imagine this thread will be a lot quieter than most autocross threads after the event.

 



Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 06 August 2014 at 12:26pm
You still gotta record and post some video! I want to see what the course ends up looking like. There's supposed to be someone else designing it this time.

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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 06 August 2014 at 12:57pm

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

You still gotta record and post some video!

Well, that's a given!   

 



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 08 August 2014 at 11:51am

One thing I like about Corvette Club autocross events is that it isn't all Corvettes that participate. I like Corvettes, but it's nice to see a cross-section of cars (and years) at these events.

Yes, most of the cars will be late model Vettes, but have a look at the great selection of automobiles that will buzzing around the track tomorrow...

2003 Caterham Super 7
2005 Lotus Elise
2007 Audi RS4
2006 Porsche Carrera 2S
2011 Mini Cooper S
1991 Mazda Miata
2013 Fiat 500 Abarth
2008 Dodge caliber SRT4
2006 Subaru Impreza 2.5i
2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2006 Subaru WRX
2013 Scion FR-S
1997 BMW 328
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
1973 Toyota Celica
1972 Datsun 240
1989 Nissan 240SX
2009 Pontiac G5
1992 Toyota MR2GT JDM
1997 Subaru Impreza STI
1973 Datsun 240
2010 Ultima GTR
1985 Oldsmobile Delta 88
2013 Ford Mustang

There will also be a nice old '67 Corvette participating, and of course a remarkable '88 Pontiac Fiero Formula.



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 08 August 2014 at 9:20pm

OMG, it's going to be a fast course tomorrow! There's basically a straight line down the back stretch the whole length of the pad leading to the stop box. I have no idea how fast I was going at the end of the "test" laps (after helping to set up the course), but heading into the stop box I had maxxed out in 2nd and was in floored in 3rd gear for quite a few seconds.

I was wondering what the hot smell was coming off my car... and it was my brakes! They were just cooking. You do not want to be standing anyway near the end of the stop box tomorrow!

Looking forward to the event, and then to the cold beer.. I mean the meeting at Red Robin.



Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 09 August 2014 at 1:29pm
Hope you're having a great day Patrick!


Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 09 August 2014 at 10:18pm

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

Hope you're having a great day Patrick!

Oh man, I was telling Colby at the club meeting that it was too bad you guys missed this event. Part of this course was the fastest I've ever driven at an autocross. I'll post a scan of the course later, but for me it was pedal to the metal down the whole north end of the pad into the stop box. There were supposedly staggered gates to go through, but I just picked a line that required very little turning to go through them, and this allowed me to eat up 2nd gear and carry on in 3rd until I slammed on the binders going through the timer. I estimate I was doing 110-115 KPH going into the stop box. I'm thankful the brakes/tires worked very well. Didn't lock 'em up even once in the stop box.

Lots of video to review. Not sure if I can do that tonight before I start to fade though. I'm beginning to feel the effects of the long hot day... but yes, it was a good day. (Would've been a "great day" if all my usual autocross buddies had of been out there as well.)



Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 10 August 2014 at 8:21am
Sad i missed it. Being a boat ride away made it difficult. looking forward to the video!


Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 10 August 2014 at 1:12pm

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

Sad i missed it. Being a boat ride away made it difficult. looking forward to the video!

Hey, there's worse things you could've been doing than being over on the Island. I love it over there.

I'll post some stuff later. I took Ken (from BCCC) on a run. It's pretty funny... he never stops talking!

 



Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 10 August 2014 at 7:45pm


how did he like the ride?


Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 10 August 2014 at 9:43pm

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

how did he like the ride?

I think Ken quite enjoyed it... until we entered the stop box at 110-115 KPH. Then he quickly blurted out... "Hit the brakes man!"

I'll make sure to post that run.



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 11 August 2014 at 2:16pm

Here's the course map for the day. Where it says "Danger!" is where initially a station was postioned. You can imagine what happens when cars take that turn to the left at speed... they naturally gravitate out towards the station! The video of when Ken is in my car contains his comments about that recorded live.

The curved red arrow was the line I was trying to take through the box, and this is also where I had a problem when Ken was in the car. Again, you'll hear his comments about that recorded live.

I guess I better get that video with Ken in the car posted.



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 11 August 2014 at 4:23pm

I had problems with the video as the footage from the camera is perfectly fine, but somehow the YouTube re-encoding process has introduced some jerkiness.

Anyway, it's certainly viewable. This was Ken's first time through the course at speed, as he had only been through the course once before as a passenger in a car which was being driven by a someone in their first autocross run... ever, and Ken himself hadn't driven it yet. 

I had been through the course three times the night before (after set-up) and once previously that morning (I was in the first of three groups), so I knew the car would be able to stop within the stop box just fine at 110-115 KPH... but Ken didn't know that.

Watch video in 3D or 2Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqC-cf5FjJc - Taking Korvette Ken For a Run In The Fiero  

And here's the PAX standings. I was awfully disappointed that I couldn't break 50 seconds, as the lowest I could get was 50.066 seconds.  So close!

There are also all kinds of mistakes in the times. One of the fellas that I usually beat supposedly beat me by almost four seconds. When I looked at his runs, his second fastest run was five seconds slower than his "best" run.  There is no way he had one run that was so much faster than all the rest he had. Anyway, it's all for fun... and BCCC are working on fixing the timing issues.



Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 11 August 2014 at 8:51pm
Cool Patrick. Did you meet Joe Cheng? He's one of the
best autocrossers on the continent. Seriously.

Question for you: why does your car always stall when you
spin? Nature of the beast or are you not getting the
clutch in fast enough? Just curious.

Good job on PAX-ing where you did.

It's funny when you know your car well and the passenger
gets freaked out. I did that all the time with my GT3,
esp when I had the ceramic brakes on it. I had people
freaking out about my braking distances all the time, so
I know your fun. haha!



Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 11 August 2014 at 10:50pm
Nice video. Entertaining narrative. 

53 is a decent turnout. you did well!


Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 11 August 2014 at 11:40pm

Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

Did you meet Joe Cheng? He's one of the best autocrossers on the continent.

I googled Joe Cheng to see what he looked like. I recognized him from Saturday, but no, unfortunately I didn't meet him.

Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

Question for you: why does your car always stall when you spin? Nature of the beast or are you not getting the clutch in fast enough? Just curious.

Yeah, I'm curious about that as well. As soon as I feel the car sliding beyond the point of saving it, I step in the clutch and don't touch the brakes until the car has basically stopped sliding on its own. I don't understand why the car stalls. It must be the stupendous G-forces created by the Fiero in these spins which flings every fuel molecule away from the injectors. 

Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

Good job on PAX-ing where you did.

Thanks Al. As I said earlier however, I was so disappointed that I couldn't break 50 seconds. Missed it by 66/100ths of a second.

Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

It's funny when you know your car well...

Interestingly enough though, during the round where my group was doing nothing (there were three groups), I positioned myself so I could watch how fast people would enter the stop box. I would say that at least half of them chickened out time and time again and would let off on the gas a good 100 feet or more from the timer... even though the stop box appeared to be more than long enough for the entry speeds.



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 11 August 2014 at 11:56pm

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

Nice video. Entertaining narrative. 

I'm thinking of hiring Ken full-time.

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

53 is a decent turnout. you did well!

There were a lot of fast cars in attendance on Saturday. It's funny, but Spike Staley announced to the group of volunteers on Friday afternoon that he specifically designed a course that was not Fiero friendly.  Yes, those were his words! He made it clear (in a good natured way) that he wanted a course that was designed for high powered Corvettes. So with that in mind, I'm actually quite satisfied with how my times stacked up against the competition.

I certainly had enough kicks at the can over the weekend. I had three runs on Friday evening, nine official runs on Saturday plus two re-runs (timing errors), and then two fun runs afterwards. So I went around that course (and into the stop box) 16 times in total. I'm hoping I still have some brake pads left.



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 August 2014 at 12:37pm

Sorry, no entertaining narration this time. No spectacular spins. Just some fine driving.

Watch video in 3D or 2D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3raVubjiqqI - Best time - BCCC autocross Aug 9, 2014

 



Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 12 August 2014 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Sorry, no entertaining narration this time. No spectacular spins. Just some fine driving.

Watch video in 3D or 2D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3raVubjiqqI -


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88 Formula 5 speed



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 August 2014 at 10:21pm

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

You don't sound so impressed with your fine driving at the end of that video.

I was just frustrated that I had come so close to my goal of breaking 50 seconds.

I've got something special to post tonight. Stay tuned!

 



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 12 August 2014 at 11:12pm

While I was in the starting grid waiting for my 4th run in the morning, Peter Dombrowski from the Corvette Club came up to me and asked if he could attach his GoPro camera to my Formula. I said "Sure" and he stuck it on the rear clip above the belt line.

It's a very interesting angle. Within the frame you can see many things, including my ugly mug in the side-view mirror (sorry everyone ), my hands on the steering wheel, the track of course... and most importantly, the front wheel. I'm serious, being able to see the front wheel clearly while buzzing around the track is fascinating. I never knew the wheels went up and down so much! This has got to be one of the best autocross videos I've ever watched. You really get a sense of the speed from this angle.

I asked Peter to post the video. He kindly obliged.

And one more thing... the audio is great! Listen to that angry beast.  Crank up the volume!

Peter's video of me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJf6k2S342I - Interesting camera angle - BCCC autocross Aug 9, 2014

All those little "ticks" you hear are pebbles being tossed at the camera by the tires.



Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 11:56am
Cool vid.

With tires in mind, check out Ross' video on tires.

http://tinyurl.com/p3mhupg - Video link


Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 5:29pm
Nice angle Patrick!. Informative video Al!

Patrick, i found this old cell phone picture. i think this is the day it all began... it just just a friendly visit...



 


Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 6:43pm

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

Patrick, i found this old cell phone picture. i think this is the day it all began... it just just a friendly visit...

Yep, almost exactly four years ago to the very day... as discussed http://www.westcoastfieros.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1952&PN=0&TPN=3 - HERE .

That's Brian walking the other way... and Colby looking after Frankie while I was going for a spin with someone (maybe Gary) as a passenger. Frankie is now 13 years old and still going strong. Colby is now 23 years old and about to go to Saskatoon.

I remember how much I wished I could've driven that day. It was extremely frustrating to just be a spectator.

Great memories!



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 7:33pm

Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

Cool vid.

With tires in mind...

Al, would you say that at the 28 second mark I had hit the brakes a split second too late, as it appears that I had already (just barely) started the left turn. I'm thinking that possibly the weight started to shift just enough to the passenger side of the car to "lighten" the driver's side tire a bit.

Is that how you would interpret the puff of smoke from the front tire at that point? Or did I simply just hit the brakes too hard for an instant? (It's a very short puff of tire smoke.)



Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 8:09pm
It's just a guess, but I think your rear brakes aren't working as well as they should. If your rear brakes were grabbing more, that would allow the rear tires to do some of the work the front tires are currently doing, and you'd end up stopping just as quickly without overloading the front tires like that.

Comparing to my car, and having driven them both, there's no way I'd lock my front tires like that in that situation. The only other difference I can think of is that those Kumhos just don't grip as well in that direction.


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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 8:21pm

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

It's just a guess, but I think your rear brakes aren't working as well as they should.

I dunno about that. I only locked up a front tire once in the video (that I'm aware of)... and I really hammered on the brakes in the stop box with no issues.

 



Posted By: Colby
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 9:09pm
You're braking 100% in a straight line then. It's a little easier to control in that situation, because the front tires aren't already being utilized somewhat for cornering. But you'd know the state of your brakes better than me. I don't remember what you ended up doing with the brakes to get them roadworthy.

If it's a trait of the tire, you should be able to find someone next event with the same tires and see if they experience the same thing.


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Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 9:20pm

Originally posted by Cheese Cheese wrote:

I don't remember what you ended up doing with the brakes to get them roadworthy.

Your dad and I flushed the system/bled them. That's it. Before next year's series of autocross events, I plan to at least remove the calipers and lube the sliders, and if necessary, replace the pads.

 



Posted By: AllanJ
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 10:40pm
It's hard to say, Patrick. It could also have something to
do with the pavement conditions. There are several ruts as
well so all it takes is losing a bit of that valuable small
tire patch, either through weight transfer or pavement
contours to reduce traction when the brakes are applied.

Keep an eye on it for more clues. Maybe include a second
camera so you can see if it's both front tires locking up
or just one.


Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 14 August 2014 at 3:30pm

Originally posted by AllanJ AllanJ wrote:

It could also have something to do with the pavement conditions. There are several ruts as well...

I was amazed at the 57 second mark how much the tire/wheel dropped and then was immediately slammed upwards. That was a lot of travel, due strictly to the uneveness of the track surface.

I'm really interested now in making some sort of a protective housing (or at least a face plate) for my Sony camera so as to mount it outside the car. And if necessary, I'll use a second device to record quality audio not being distorted by wind noise (and then combine the two sources during editing). I love that camera angle, although I'd like to fine tune it a bit and have the horizon a lot more level.



Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 22 August 2014 at 1:55pm

There were finally some images posted at the BCCC site. This one is my favorite. You can see the two people with the PDM Racing car sizing up their stiffest competition... that rumbling red Fiero.



Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 22 August 2014 at 9:16pm
ya.. they want to know why that guy doesn't have is lucky driving sneakers on. 




Posted By: Patrick
Date Posted: 22 August 2014 at 9:25pm

Originally posted by karnak karnak wrote:

ya.. they want to know why that guy doesn't have his lucky driving sneakers on. 

Heh heh... I must remember to never again drive the course with my sandals on.

 



Posted By: karnak
Date Posted: 22 August 2014 at 9:29pm
lol.. exactly...




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