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    Posted: 29 December 2010 at 12:22pm
Well I finally had it with the Real Ferrari. I'm going
to sell the damn thing (offers anyone?). I am of course
keeping the 308 replica Dr. Fiero is working on.

Anyway to satisfy "she who must not be named" I bought a
2006 Chrysler 300c SRT8. 4 door reliable domestic car
for the wife. 425hp rwd for me. There is a huge amount
of aftermarket stuff for this car which I plan to make
use off. Anyway getting to the point of this thread. I
want to Supercharge or Turbocharge the car. There are
many bolt on kits for this car either way. The question
is.....Which is better turbo or supercharging wrt geting
through Aircare? It would seem to me that turbo charging
might be the way to go since I could easily change the
levels of boost (no pulleys to change)so that when I show
up at Aircare I could use a Diablosport Predator to
return the car to a stock tune, lower the boost to zero
and pass the test

Thoughts anyone?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Car-2-Lo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 1:06pm

Why even ask, sounds like you have already made up your mind going Turbo

A Supercharger looks cooler
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fiero308 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 1:30pm
No I haven't made up my mind at all. Its just with the
very small amount of automotive knowledge I possess that
turbo seems the way to go. Superchargers are usually
easier to install and as you say look cooler but I don't
know enough to make an informed decision, hence the post.

By the way the pictures I uploaded didn't upload and they
were funny too. Anyone know what I did wrong?
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Tough call.
Based on experience with MINIs, most of the motorheads like the supercharged car better than the turbocharged ones.   The supercharged cars have turned out to be easier to work on, but that may be because BMW tightened their grip on the turbo cars with their computer controls.

The turbo cars make better horsepower out of the box. The supercharged are easier to "upgrade" to make better horsepower than the turbocharged cars. I suspect the main reason MINIs became turbocharged was because of better fuel efficiency and probably better emissions.

General consensus amongst MINI people is the supercharged cars have been more fun to drive and easier to "tune". But the supercharged cars, other than the timing change issue, have had better engine reliability.   

Not sure how that would relate the a 300C.   I do, however like the fact that a supercharged car doesn't generally need a warm-up and cool down period when starting up or finishing a long drive. Turbo cars do to make sure the oils are properly circulated in the booster unit itself.





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Originally posted by beken beken wrote:

The supercharged are easier to "upgrade" to make better horsepower than the supercharged cars.

General consensus amongst MINI people is the supercharged cars have been more fun to drive and easier to "tune". But the supercharged cars, other than the timing change issue, have had better engine reliability.

Okay, I'm officially confused by all the references to "supercharged".

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Patrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 1:48pm

Originally posted by Fiero308 Fiero308 wrote:

By the way the pictures I uploaded didn't upload and they were funny too. Anyone know what I did wrong?

No idea.

Hugh, if you wish you can email them to me and I'll post them for you.

Originally posted by Fiero308 Fiero308 wrote:

Well I finally had it with the Real Ferrari. I'm going
to sell the damn thing (offers anyone?).

Okay, I'll start the bidding at 50 bucks, and that's only because it would look nice parked beside the house.

 

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Either form of boost wont have any effect what-so-ever in aircare, so long as you're staying out of boost. Unless the fool dynoing the car has it pinned, that wont be an issue for either supercharging or turbocharging. 

For personality and daily-driving, I would suggest the supercharger. For raw power figures I would assume the turbo might pump a higher dyno chart. But as Johnny Boy said, a supercharger is waaaay more delightful.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fiero308 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 2:10pm
That is what I wanted to know. Which system is easier to
adjust boost levels once its installed? Is it an automatic
fail to add a supercharger/turbocharger to a car?

Hugh
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Patrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 4:09pm

Here you go Hugh. If you (or a forum moderator) can copy and paste these images into your first post, I'll delete the images here.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Car-2-Lo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 4:15pm
Hugh,Hugh, you have Turbo SUPERCAR toy now, why are you trying to hot rod your cheap (daily driver) domestic car
As a daily driver you should have something classy BENZ or BEAMER
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fiero308 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 4:44pm
Thanks Patrick I still can't do it lets see if one of the
moderators can do it.

WRT Car-2-Lo's comment I figure he should know by now that
I have no class (ask my wife!!) and a benz or Bimmer would
be inappropriate

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Romeo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 7:04pm

Originally posted by Fiero308 Fiero308 wrote:

That is what I wanted to know. Which system is easier to
adjust boost levels once its installed? Is it an automatic
fail to add a supercharger/turbocharger to a car?

Hugh

Both systems will have a bypass or wastegate which can be programmed for different boost levels, and from the ICBC/Aircare website:

"No modification may be performed which will negatively impact emissions from a vehicle. For example, one cannot take a fuel injected inline-four and drop in a carberated V8."

Now, in theory this means both supercharging and turbocharging are off-limits. In practice? You'll be fine, boost shouldn't even come in to play at Aircare.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote marcelvdgn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2010 at 11:01pm
60 bucks
Marcel 86SE V6 Auto
85SE V6 Auto
85 2m4
soon to be sleeper 3.8sc 5 speed
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All right Romeo I feel a lot better. Now I need to sell
the Ferrari to pay for all this
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Why not just become a professional lottery winner instead? That's my life-plan.
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I agree.  They never rev the car high enough to get any serious boost.  Besides, if the engine is set up right, you shouldn't be polluting much more anyway I don't think.
 
My cousin back East had a Ferrari like yours and had nothing but trouble with it.  He bought it because it had been in storage for over 10 years and he thought it would be mint.  Well it did look nice after some detailing alright.  But because it hadn't been running for so long and the dumb sh*t basically jumped into it and drove off without any servicing it died on the freeway on his way home.

It cost him $25,000 to get it road worthy again.  Well that was just the beginning.  Around every corner he was spending more and more.  Finally he snapped the timing belt doing 210 on the Interstate in Delaware.  Had to trailer it home.

I could go on......:)

He put a used motor in it and said goodbye.

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Originally posted by Romeo Romeo wrote:


You'll be fine, boost shouldn't even come in to play at Aircare.
You dream it up....I'll make it
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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by beken beken wrote:

The supercharged are easier to "upgrade" to make better horsepower than the supercharged cars.


General consensus amongst MINI people is the supercharged cars have been more fun to drive and easier to "tune". But the supercharged cars, other than the timing change issue, have had better engine reliability.


Okay, I'm officially confused by all the references to "supercharged".


 



Yah...I'm old and the brain finger sync doesn't work like it used to. Okay, I've gone and fixed it. The supercharged cars are easier to upgrade (in horsepower) than the turbo ones. In the case of MINIs, that's because the wastegate (turbocharged) is not adjustable.

Lots of things to consider.   If you have an adjustable wastegate for the turbocharger, you need to make sure your ECU can handle the change in boost.   The same with supercharged cars. Except you manipulate boost by changing the pulley. There is no wastegate in supercharged cars.

If you decide you want to boost your engine, I would highly recommend you use an intercooler to bring down the temperature of your intake air.

boosting your engine intake for a modern engine should not increase your emmisions. The engine ECU should take care of that.   



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Ken, if I'm not mistaken there is a wastegate in the Supercharged Minis, is there not? I believe it pumps any pressure above the throttle blade and below the supercharger out to atmosphere, so that when you're engine braking, you arn't pumping alot of air against a shut throttle blade...

You are completely right about the tuning, Ken. In fact, as silly as it sounds, vehicles' ECUs prefer supercharging because the engine isn't trying to adapt to a constantly changing MAP signal (A turbo goes from about 14.7 psi, then slides up to peak boost, then down to about 4 psi while shifting... A supercharger goes from peak boost, to about 4 psi and back. No slow changes).

And I still stand by the belief that this sounds better than this.

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Originally posted by Romeo Romeo wrote:

And I still stand by the belief that this sounds better than this.

And this sounds better than either one of those.

 

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This video gives a much better comparison of the sounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krt1PNIiZXQ

I definitely am not a fan of loud cars sorry Patrick that
truck is too rumbly.
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