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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Although my audio system is on hold at the moment (Suspension is more of a pressing concern at the moment, and I just paid for schooling), that doesn't mean I can't prep a battery box in the mean time for a new battery (Pretty sure the current one is cooked, heavy, up high and out back). So for any of our electrical aces, or sound gurus, do you think this would be sufficient as a battery: http://www.kinetikaudio.com/2009/product.asp?P=KHC600&C= 1 Bare in mind that while I will have a fair bit of audio stuff in the car, I don't intend to be playing it overly loud, and I do have an upgraded alternator to try and keep her juiced. Just basically wondering if that should be sufficient to turn her over in the morning, as the next size up is 26 pounds, it would be nice to save those 8 pounds. |
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Bassman ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Sir Brian Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2501 |
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Why...lol, depends on how much in amps your driving, Cap is good to have, again get a Optima Yellow and you'll be fine |
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kharmata ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 291 |
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And what about the alternator...?
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Bassman ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Sir Brian Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2501 |
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Again...what are you running, how much amp's, etc...I play my system LOUD and have a 6 channel JBL at 600 watts...have never even come close to draining. I know any audiophile will suggest to upgrade the world...Right Zander, Tyler & Waylon...lol |
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Capt Fiero ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Founding Member Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4039 |
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Get a good Optima a red is good enough, or a yellow is better. I can and have ran my Stereo for over 4hrs straight with amp and sub and am still able to start the car. I can also run a 110v 350w inverter for up to 8hrs powering a Laptop with an external set of speaks with sub. Anything under 750w you won't need more than a good battery and possibly a cap. If you go over 1000w then I would say upgrade to dual batteries and a good cap.
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Fire451 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 318 |
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i would recommend just getting a yellow top, it will do exactly what you want from it, I have had a red top for years and just reciently upgraded to a yellow top myself.... if you need a cap I have one here that is still brand new in the package and will sell it cheap (unless brian still has/wants dibbs)
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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It's not so much the capacitor aspect of the Kinetic that interests me (The subs I have are tiny, and I don't intend to work the sound system at all) so much as the weight. That one I linked to is 600CCA, and weighs just 14 pounds. 14! If you guys don't think it's possible to use it for true battery duty, I suppose I will invest in an Optima instead, but they're a bit heavier, and significantly larger...
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Bassman ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Sir Brian Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2501 |
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I see a trend..."Optima Yellow Top" YellowTop Group 75/25 Dual Purpose (Deep Cycle & Starting): Weight 37.8lbs. Or INTERSTATE BATTERY MEGA-TRON PLUS - 85 MONTHS - 700 CCA
Had me thinking Colby...Yellow Top worth the Weight...haha, get it |
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Wow nice to see Mr Fire451 posting up, haven't seen you in a while. You and the ladies should come out on the 25th with everyone. 6 Fiero's will be on the track racing.
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Bassman ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Sir Brian Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2501 |
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Cheers man:)...no need |
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Bassman ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Sir Brian Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2501 |
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Performance driving |
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Bah, 32 pounds is still waaay more than the next size up in the Kinetic range, which moves up to 26 pounds. And at 800CCA, I'm sure that model will be more than enough to start my car in the morning.
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lol, was about to write the same thing. |
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Nono... Colby is my nick name from way back in the day... ![]() Kidding, of course. |
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Bassman ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Sir Brian Joined: 12 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2501 |
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Both of ya..Tristan's the one looking and Colby advised on spec |
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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lol Aw, and here I thought you were just ignoring lovely little Tristan. |
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Well, I might have to go to the larger 800 model, it's tough to say... The 600 only has a 20A/H rating, which means the alternator will kill itself trying to charge it up in the mornings, and more than a day or two and I wont start up... On the other hand, it's almost 150% the weight of the 600... Decisions, decisions...
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CFoss ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 580 |
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Keep in mind with your calcs that music is about 30% duty cycle. Meaning, if you run your 600W flat out, it will only suck about 200W for real (15A).
So it's like leaving your lights on basically.
As far as batteries go, my limited understanding is this:
The tradeoff is between deep cycle and starting amps. A deep cycle has less plate surface area, but thicker plates. The oposite is true for a starting battery...mores surface area but thinner plates (For any given battery package size). The combo batteries are just that, some thin, some thick, or all medium thickness. Caps help reduce the transient requirements on the power system (Battery and altenator). They are best when mounted really close to the main power device, in this case the pwer amp. This is because of the impedance of longer leads lessens the transient help the cap can give. It should 'clean up' and base distortion due to lack of supply which can occur in setups with long, small supply wiring to the amp. Another way to look at it is if you buy the big cap, you can tell the guy trying to sell you the 4/0 cable for you amp the big finger, 'cause really you only need #10 (Which will easily pass 30A). This will more than pay for the cap in a longer supply run.
It won't help in your amp-hour energy requirement.
If it was me, I'd stick with the smaller deep cycle battery, and a larger altenator, plus a nice juicy big cap stuck next to the power amp.
1 more thing...if you run this setup, have a really good low impedance ground from the power amp to the head unit. This will prevent ground rise oscillations from occuring.
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Romeo ![]() Senior Post God ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 November 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3033 |
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Deep cycle = mega heavy though. And they splash. The reason I was looking at batcaps isn't actually the sound system, but rather the weight of them. They're feathery, even when compared to pricey gel cells.
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CFoss ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 February 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 580 |
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Yup they're heavy alright. Cake...eat it....you get the idea.
batcaps? Is this a composite word, or are you looking a super(ultra)capacitors?
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