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Besides Patty, I've been applying the lubricant I was told to in every shop I've ever worked in, doesn't mean I knew the name of what I was using.

But again, can you at least point out where your concern stems from? What do you expect to go wrong from lubrication of the slide pins?

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Originally posted by Dawg Dawg wrote:

I constantly use products to accomplish tasks they were never designed for.  It's called "thinking out of the box."

When it works, it's referred to as "thinking out of the box".

When it doesn't work, well, there are a lot of neat phrases that could describe that as well.  

I don't understand why you are so reluctant to supply any info on the specific product you mentioned that you use. I googled and can't find much of anything on "Never Seize".

Originally posted by Dawg Dawg wrote:

I use a product called Never Seize.

 

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Originally posted by Romeo Romeo wrote:

What do you expect to go wrong from improper lubrication of the slide pins?

Fixed that for you.

You're the one training to be a mechanic. You should be able to tell me.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dawg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 February 2010 at 12:18am

Because it's erelevant.

I understand the properties of the base materials and have over 20 years of practical experience with this product.

Anyhow, we've beaten that poor horse to a pulp.  Unless you have something tangible to base you opinions on I don't see much point in continuing this thread.

DG

Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

I don't understand why you are so reluctant to supply any info on the specific product you mentioned that you use. I googled and can't find much of anything on "Never Seize".

[QUOTE=Dawg]I use a product called Never Seize.

 


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Originally posted by Dawg Dawg wrote:

Because it's erelevant.

You feel it's "erelevant" to supply basic background information on a product you're promoting for use on brake components??

Fine, there's not much point discussing this any further then.

 

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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by Romeo Romeo wrote:

What do you expect to go wrong from improper lubrication of the slide pins?

Fixed that for you.

You're the one training to be a mechanic. You should be able to tell me.

 


I fail to see what you mean by "improper" lubrication. Like I had said, anything non-abrasive will work fine, provided you don't go balls-out with how much you put on. It really is a challenge to try and do improperly...
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Technically your both wrong :D
and technically your both right.


Next time I do a brake job I'll probably use Anti-Seize again just because I've got loads of it here.
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It's copper anti-seize so the metal particles in it, theoretically, since steel is hrder then copper there should be no damage. (for example, if you take a piece of wood and try to cut through a bar of metal, its not going to happen.

It's petroleum based so it is hard on o-rings, but when I pulled the pins out I saw no o-rings in the pins. The only o-ring i saw was on the piston which i didn't anti-seize. I could be wrong, I dont know, could someone confirm this?

Also, other than people saying "don't do this" tech specs saying "use this other stuff" there hasn't really been any real reason why you cant use anti-seize.


Not using anti-seize would be good though because,

there is probably a good reason why manufactures don't want you to use it, (possible because silicon is cheaper to make than copper based anti-seize )

The petroleum based lube can in theory break down dust boots and o-rings.



Here's a site saying why you shouldn't use it
http://www.guzzle7pt3.com/cu.php
(about halfway down)

and here's the site directly contradicting that
http://www.sealanddesign.com/category/7/Loctite/page/104/Lub ricating/cpage/49/Anti_Seize.aspx



Until someone shows me a petroleum rotted (possibly mythical) caliper slide-o-ring or boot, i'll stick to anti-seize

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Originally posted by Roadfury Roadfury wrote:

It's petroleum based so it is hard on o-rings, but when I pulled the pins out I saw no o-rings in the pins. The only o-ring i saw was on the piston which i didn't anti-seize. I could be wrong, I dont know, could someone confirm this?

If your caliper sliders aren't riding on O-rings, you've got bigger problems than just what lubricant you've used.

Originally posted by Roadfury Roadfury wrote:

http://www.sealanddesign.com/category/7/Loctite/page/104/Lub %20ricating/cpage/49/Anti_Seize.aspx  

I see nothing on that page relating to lubrication of caliper sliders.

Originally posted by Roadfury Roadfury wrote:

...i'll stick to anti-seize

Was that a pun?

I wanted to hear what the collective brain trust of Pennock's Fiero Forum had to say about this topic. See the resulting discussion Here.

 

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Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by Roadfury Roadfury wrote:

It's petroleum based so it is hard on o-rings, but when I pulled the pins out I saw no o-rings in the pins. The only o-ring i saw was on the piston which i didn't anti-seize. I could be wrong, I dont know, could someone confirm this?

If your caliper sliders aren't riding on O-rings, you've got bigger problems than just what lubricant you've used.



Where are they located though? thats what im asking.


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http://www.sealanddesign.com/category/7/Loctite/page/104/Lub %20ricating/cpage/49/Anti_Seize.aspx  

I see nothing on that page relating to lubrication of caliper sliders.

No i didn't say that it did, The link before that one says to use silicon stuff because the anti-seize "can't handle the high temps" and the info on the above link says its specifically for high temp applications.
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Originally posted by Roadfury Roadfury wrote:

Originally posted by Patrick Patrick wrote:

Originally posted by Roadfury Roadfury wrote:

It's petroleum based so it is hard on o-rings, but when I pulled the pins out I saw no o-rings in the pins. The only o-ring i saw was on the piston which i didn't anti-seize. I could be wrong, I dont know, could someone confirm this?

If your caliper sliders aren't riding on O-rings, you've got bigger problems than just what lubricant you've used.



Where are they located though? thats what im asking.

The pin of the caliper sliders goes through a bore in the calipers. At either end of this bore is a rubber O-ring. The area between the O-rings is supposed to be packed with lubricant when being serviced. I don't know how you could not notice the O-rings when you were cleaning and lubricating this area.

 

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